You said that 30 round magazines were illegal not that he did not obtain them legally a big difference but that may go over your head. You did not say the 223 was lighter and a shooter could carry more ammo you said it was suited for killing. You are trying desperately to fix your fuck ups.
Thomasdam
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Thomasdam
Any gun can be deadly. A 22lr out to around 400 yards can be deadly. The shooter could have killed the same number of people with a 22lr. These arguments do not hold water at all. A 223 is on avg a 55 grain bullet. A 22lr about 29 to 30 grains. A 3006 is about 150 on avg. 7.62x39 125 grains. a 9mm 115 grains. To understand energy you have to understand velocity and mass. a large bullet traveling at a slow speed vs a small bullet traveling at a fast speed. A 223 is a small bullet. Only about double the size of a 22lr in mass but a 22lr moves around 1500 fps where a 223 about 3100 fps. For the ballistically challenged its like a VW bug moving at 200 MPH or a Train moving at 45 MPH.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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So by your logic if he used a Chevy to run down people a chevy would be a much more deadly car than a Ford. It says it all in your name. I don't believe you are correct "again" on the 30 round mags being illegal in NZ. Show me the law before the current debate and its not a .556 its a 5.56 mm or .223 which is 223 thousands of an inch.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Thomasdam
James Madison Oppressors can only tyrannize when they achieve a standing army and enslaved press and a disarmed population.
Thomas Jefferson, no freeman shall ever be disbarred the use of arms.
George Mason, To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.
Patric Henry the great object is that every man be armed
To argue that the flintlock is what they were talking about would be like saying Since TV and Radio and the Internet were not known it does not come under the first Amendment.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Thomasdam
It boils down to liberals don't want the public to own guns period. They know how to use the knee jerk reaction of a tragedy to manipulate the public. Start with the so called assault rifles, then move to all semi autos, and to revolvers and shot guns. and finally 22 lr. Than you can regulate and or ban air guns and restrict water pistols and the world will all be holding hand and singing Kumbya.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Thomasdam
So how is the 223 more deadly than any other round he could have used? I think you are trying to say he had Standard capacity magazines I.E 30 rounds with deadly. Magazines that hold more than 10 rounds can be purchased for any gun that has a detachable magazine or most any gun. 22lr, to 3006. So you are saying a 30 round mag is deadly. It could have been just as deadly to use a 9mm Glock or similar type weapon with 33 round mags. But you can switch out mags fast so even a 10 round mag can be deadly if you know how to change them out fast. I don't know what point you are trying to make but I am not sure you do either.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Thomasdam
Joe when you say Fully Semi auto is like saying an automatic manual transmission. It shows you don't know which end of the gun the bullet comes out of. Guns are not death rays as the left would have you believe. I remember talking with one of the heads of Winchester ammo complaining to them in the 90 they were rolling over for the idiot left by taking off the Black Talon ammo off the market when Patric Moynihan on NBC showed a chart saying the bullet was designed to take out every major organ in the body. That was the dumbest shit I have heard. Well Winchester never did bring it back. Oh wait they did. Its called SXT which is Super Expanding Talon minus the black lubaloy, which was supposed to be a lube.
The defenses round has come a long way since then. The old Black Talon is old technology. We have many different round to choose from much better than the old BT. Although collectors still buy this up for their collections.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Thomasdam
No wonder your name is 2+2=5 you don't add things up right in your head. Those monkeys up there are not trained very well. You don't even give your backing for your BS. The 223 is not a particular deadly round. No more than many cartridges. The 7.62x39 has much more penetration, the 3006, is daughter the 308 are much more devastating than a 223. A 22lr can be very deadly that does not make it "ideal" for killing humans as you put it. Why is the 223/5.56 Ideal for killing? Its not. That is an arbitrary statement you can not back up because I doubt you know much about guns.
When the 5.56 was adopted by the US it was due to the idea that a lighter bullet could then allow a soldier to carry more. The most deadly caliber is useless in a fire fight when you are out of ammo.The Battle rifles of the day, the 303 British, the US 3006/308, the Russian 7.62 Russian were all large full on battle rifle ctgs. The guns that shot them were heavy, the M14, the Enfield, and the Mod 91 Russian were all long range battle rifles. The lessons learned in the seocnd world war were that a lighter less powerful rifle could be better in that most fire fights were done at shorter distances and the fire superiority theory. Enter the M16 the end result of the Armalite design. AR does not stand for assault rifle it stands for Armalite.
You don't know much about guns ammo or ballistics. There is no such thing and an "ideal gun" to kill people. If you want to shoot someone in a closet any long gun is almost a club you can not swing, A hand gun would be ideal, at 1500 yards the 223 would be like getting hit with a pellet gun. Now go look up coefficient and muzzle energy and how it drops.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Is New Zealand right to ban military style guns?
by ThomasCovenant inin response to the recent terrorist attack in new zealand their government is proposing to ban semi automatic and military style weaponry.. do you agree with this idea?.
would they be better off allowing more of these weapons instead?.
would it be better to perhaps allow more of the muslim community for example, to be armed with semi automatic guns to protect themselves at their places of worship?.
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Thomasdam
The NZ PM is an idiot.Read with stupid NZ accent.