Ashi,
Dat be me jobe.
Dave
sniff sniff donations people we have no money to hold together this site of foolishness all these socalled educated people could u please give money!sniff i though the org was broke but jehovah protects them .
we also need meteor insurance send me some companies thanks free the lose minds.........
Ashi,
Dat be me jobe.
Dave
yesterday, when farkel announced his departure and shunning of us all, i was incensed and outraged.
in fact i had similar feeling's to those day's 20yrs ago, after being df'd, where former friends and relatives, just simply said 'your no good, your not worthy of my/our attention anymore' turned thier back's and walked away from me.
then witnessed farkel ignore the sweet comments lilac's writes just for him....made we want to ring his neck.
Boy Shimmer, nice butt kicking on Malcom and it's only your 10th post. Are we going to see more of this?
Danny,
Fark called me last night and we talked for almost two hours. I need to email you and talk about a few things. I think he is starting to understand where you are coming from and has developed a lot of respect for you. You owe me ten bucks!
I'll try to get an email off to you tomorrow.
Take care,
Dave
let me explain.. firstly i have seen any number of so-called attempted suicides.
i've walked past an old girl friends house, seen her watching tv through the window, by the time i'm knocking on the door she's told me that she had her head in the gas oven and my knock stopped her.. my mother in law walks into the sea for a pastime.
every time she can't get her own way she walks in up to her knees and waits for someone to see her.
Danny,
Exactly how large is a "crock" of bullshit? Iv used that measurement before but quite honestly do not know the exact dimensions. Is it close to a "pile" of bullshit or a "load" of bullshit?
Please get back with me on this one so I can properly fit the size of bullshit to the statement of bullshit. It's embarrassing not knowing the weight of ones bullshit.
You made some damn good points.Good to see ya bonehead!
Take care, your bud,
Dave
sniff sniff donations people we have no money to hold together this site of foolishness all these socalled educated people could u please give money!sniff i though the org was broke but jehovah protects them .
we also need meteor insurance send me some companies thanks free the lose minds.........
Malcom,
It is a delight to see you posting. Your persona is exemplary to most of Jehovah's people and your presentation equal to your intellect. The more you post the more evident the discomfiture of Jehovah's message becomes.
You are an unmitigated example of Jehovah's people and the level of their philistinism.
Keep up the good work,
Dave
let me explain.. firstly i have seen any number of so-called attempted suicides.
i've walked past an old girl friends house, seen her watching tv through the window, by the time i'm knocking on the door she's told me that she had her head in the gas oven and my knock stopped her.. my mother in law walks into the sea for a pastime.
every time she can't get her own way she walks in up to her knees and waits for someone to see her.
Hey Jimbo,
Your intelligence is showing, you might want to think about zipping your pants up.
Dave
let me explain.. firstly i have seen any number of so-called attempted suicides.
i've walked past an old girl friends house, seen her watching tv through the window, by the time i'm knocking on the door she's told me that she had her head in the gas oven and my knock stopped her.. my mother in law walks into the sea for a pastime.
every time she can't get her own way she walks in up to her knees and waits for someone to see her.
Eman,
No disrespect intended but I wonder how tough you would be and what kinds of comments you would make if you wife suddenly was killed in a car accident. You have a great life, a loving beautiful wife, lot's of friends and a bar stool with your name on it at you local pub. I'm sure looking at life throng your eyes you do not have time for the pain in someone else's.
It's people like you who make comments like you have that become the most devastated victims when something like what happens to Kevin happens to you. Iv seen the biggest and strongest of men get down on their knees and cry like a baby at the loss of a loved one. Showing emotion and doing things a little out of the ordinary are normal for most people in circumstances like this. Saying someone needs to act like a man and not feel pain or react to that pain is a very narrow minded look at life. The stiff upper lip concept is fine for some but it's just arrogant stupidity to others.
Enjoy your life and treasure your wife and friends. They all can be gone in a heart beat. Until it happens to you, and I hope it never does, you may never understand how Kevin feels. Iv seen a lot of death and pain in my life, more than a lot of people. It is something that changes your life and makes you become a more understanding person. Kevin is not out to gather sympathy form from the women on the board, he's gay for Christ sakes. And even if it was I don't see where it should bother you one way or another. You are one of the most frequent posters on this board and if anyone would need to judge and try to put point a finger at someone looking for attention I'm sure a few fingers would point at you.
That kind of stuff is bullshit, whether it is done toward you or anyone else including Kevin. Kevin's partner was a friend of mine and a damn good person. He died sudden and many people were hurting because of it. As you said yourself, you don't know Kevin, maybe if you took a little time to get to know the man you might be a little more understanding.
I always thought you had more character than this. Either that or you are going through a few problems in your own life and this is how you deal with it. I don't know. What I do know is I think you are a great guy and I'm a bit surprised in your comment. I guess we all get to know a little more about each other in times like this.
Be thankful for the life you have and the people you love in it. They may not always be there. It's just something to think about.
Take care,
Dave
hello again to all.. okay,friends,i hear you guys......... oh,no,not the return of the newbie gone.
mad prophet!!
i had to step back for a few.
"Fear is a great and just motivator"
I agree with this statement. Scare the hell out of someone and they will love you forever.
I think that is the tie that binds most JW women to their loving and controlling husbands.
It worked for the Taliban, why not another fanatical group of scared and victimized people.
The JW's may be able to quote word for word what they are programed to quote but they
don't have the slightest clue about what real love is and it's power of motivation.
You people crack me up. The truly, absolute, final, not kidding this time, trust me, honest to god, time of the end.
Keep dreaming and have a nice day.
Dave
yesterday, when farkel announced his departure and shunning of us all, i was incensed and outraged.
in fact i had similar feeling's to those day's 20yrs ago, after being df'd, where former friends and relatives, just simply said 'your no good, your not worthy of my/our attention anymore' turned thier back's and walked away from me.
then witnessed farkel ignore the sweet comments lilac's writes just for him....made we want to ring his neck.
Danny,
I know you have been going through a hard time. So has a few of the people that you have had harsh words with. As I explained to them about you not being yourself I think you have finally realized that about the ones we have spoken of. As I told them, give Danny a chance to catch his breath and he will eventually show everyone the real Danny. Sometimes the pain in our lives cause us to act a little out of character. Iv seen that in your posts lately. I figured it would only be a matter of time before you got back to yourself and saw things with that big ass heart of yours.
You show a lot of class here Dan. Please get in contact with Alan. I know a conversation between you two will be well worth it. Alan, Fark, and yourself have all gone through some real hell lately and that sometimes will give a person a bit of a sharp edge. Alan and I talked about the thing he said to you and how he not only might have said it wrong but also how you might have taken it wrong. It's just a misunderstanding between two bull headed old farts. Alan is a great guy and so are you, neither one of you can help the fact that your old and your both loosing your minds as well as your hair. I'm sure at the age both of you are, and having body parts drag on the ground like they do would make anybody a bit grumpy.
I still stand by my first thoughts concerning you and Alan. I think you two could be great friends. I am proud to call you a friend of mine. That same feeling goes for Alan and Doug. You are all damn good people.
Take care and give Terry a kiss on the cheek for me.
Your pal,
Dave
please help me understand this jw dream.. my therapist once told me that dreams are one of the ways that our subconscious mind have of telling us something emotionally urgent about ourselves.
as i had a dream last night that really aroused my feelings, i was wondering if anyone cared to take a stab at what it is trying to tell me?.
the dream.... i find myself at an indoor circuit assembly.
Skipper,
I use to do a little dream interpretation a few years back for fun but it began to freak a few people out so I stopped. There are a few books out on dream interpretation but they seem to have conflicting conclusions on several key elements in dreams. Some times things in dreams can have more than one meaning or no meaning at all. Usually it takes someone who has knowledge of the dreamers history and present circumstances to give a more accurate interpretation. Most dreams interpretations are a shot in the dark but some can be fairly accurate? I may be wrong but I would say you had this dream early in the morning right before you woke up. Those are the dreams we are most likely to remember the details of. I'll give you my shot at it and you can take it for what it's worth.
<<<I find myself at an indoor circuit assembly. I have volunteered for helping setup chairs for a special guest speaker, but I haven’t had time yet to look at who the speaker is on the program. I’m just told to get as many folding chairs setup as possible.>>>
The location of your dream starting at an assembly could be the setting up the dream theme in relation to the subject of the JW religion and your involvement in it. The fact that you are doing work for the assembly by setting up chairs can represent the time and energy you put into your life as a JW. Doing the work and not knowing who the special speaker is can represent your blind acceptance of the religion without question, maybe even a blind acceptance of whom ever they set up as a speaker or what ever they preach to you, you will accept unconditionally. The amount of chairs could represent your thoughts at that time in relation to bringing as many as possible into the religion by your efforts. Like in door to door work and bible studies.
<<<I'm working for hours, and now I'm hungry and want to stop to eat but I'm told to keep busy setting up chairs for the afternoon public talks. I sneak off anyway to grab some fast food but get caught by the elder who just gives me a disgusted look.>>>
The recognition if working for hours could represent the time period you spent as a JW doing their work and accepting their teachings for a long period in your life. The thought of you getting hungry can mean you recognized a change in your thinking that you were now interested in doing something for yourself. It was a need you had and it was something you hungered for. The sneaking off could represent the way in which you went after your need as if it was done in secret and you did not want everyone to know right away. The sneaking out for food could also represent your first doubt about the religion and you need to satisfy it. You had to get away from the whole group or privately contemplate your doubts. You knew if you pursued your doubt that there would be circumstances that you must pay. That is revealed next in your dream.
The fast food part you mentioned could mean your exit was done quickly or it was something small but significant that you satisfied your hunger with. Your first doubts or your desire to recognize a need in yourself was done in a short time frame in comparison to your time as a JW. The fast food could also represent something you considered not very healthy for you at the time. The fact that you were caught by an elder and he gave you a disgusted look is fairly easy to understand. The elder represented the authority the JW religion had over your thinking and the disgusted look was because you broke the rules and did something for yourself out of a need you knew you had. You disobeyed the authority. It could also mean those who were your JW friends now looking at you as if they are disgusted with your decision to leave and change your thinking. Rejection or disapproval because of leaving the religion.
<<<It is now moments away from the speech and the place is packed with people. I have a chair reserved in the front row but when I go up to claim it; one of the Governing Body is sitting in it.>>>
This again could have several meanings depending on what was a bigger influence in your life. The large gathering of new JW's before 1975 could cause this sense of urgency or the constant preaching of the end being very near. The fact that you had a chair reserved for yourself could represent your feeling of having a secure place within the religion at the time of the end. The urgency you felt combined with the reserved seat paints a picture of fear and a supposed safe place in regard to that time frame. Since you just worked many hours to prepare for it but slipped out briefly for food could mean you felt you were experiencing the thought they have to give everything else up and concentrate only on what they are told because the time of the end was near. Having even the slightest doubt or slipping a way for a quick meal will leave you out of the organization. This little mind control trick has been played by the JW since the beginning. And a sense of unexplained urgency still haunts many exJW's. It's hard to clean out all those cob webs.
When you came back from your brief exit you found your place that you thought was reserved for you gone. Not only was it taken, it was taken from you by the whole JW religion represented by the governing body member. This could be the meaning of a governing body member taking away what you thought you were secure in, your volatile place in line for the new system. Your brief and seemingly insignificant attempt to satisfy your hunger was rewarded to you by your complete loss of the position or place you thought you had a secure hold on. I don't know any JW that really feels they have an absolute chance of making it. You are always told the slightest thing can make you loose out. Even trying to save a place.
<<<I want my blue jacket and silver attache case back to find a new seat, but he won't let me have them. He tells me I’m not important. I ask for my jacket back but he won’t move but I try to get my attaché case from under his seat and he struggles with me and it spills open.>>>
The blue jacket as in many dreams that have clothing involved can mean your personal sense of security or an amalgam of personal possessions. In dreams where one sees them self as naked can mean they are experiencing a sense of vulnerability, insecurity or loss. In a sense they have been fully exposed and are unable to cover up actions or thoughts they once had. Clothes or lack there of can play a big part in dreams. The GB member not giving you back your jacket is in essence refusing to give you back the security you once felt in the religion. That or he has taken away your personal attachment to people, friends, or position you once felt secure about in the religion. Not allowing you to continue on to find another seat by holding on to your personal items was the religion striping you of your old thoughts of security that you once possessed and not allowing you to get them back. You cannot have your friends or way of thinking and just slide over. You loose them all.
The fact that the brief case is silver is only significant if you at the time of being a JW did not actually own a silver brief case. Since I don't know that I won't comment on it because I see this whole thing is getting a bit long and boring.
<<<Just then the new speaker is announced and it is John F. Kennedy. Everyone is excited, but I said, “He can’t be speaking as he is dead.” People just look at me like I’m totally stupid and tell me that I don’t know what I’m talking about.>>>
This is pretty heavy in the world of dream stuff. Any death or seeing someone that you know is dead is very significant.This is your turning point. You have just been rejected by the religion and it has refused to give you possessions that you had while you were in the religion. All of a sudden the event you have been waiting for happens and it is something you do not expect. It could be that you had a great respect for the authority position that JFK held and in another scenario his appearance would convince you of the strength of his message. The fact that you knew he was dead brings up the thought that the message you once were so sure about and had great admiration for is now dead. The security you had in the message and the respect you had for the religion was now being presented to you by someone you know to be dead. A conflict is established by once holding a place of reverence for the speaker but now realizing the message is a farce because it is being given by someone you know is dead. Death in a dream can represent an end, a fear, a conquest or contradiction of a once accepted of reality.
You have come to the realization that the facts that you were once so sure of represented by someone you trusted cannot possibly be true because the presentation is a farce. Respect and acceptance being represented by JFK and the farce being exposed by your knowing he is in actuality dead. Your speaking out about the contradiction in reality is you coming to the realization that what you once believed to be true is indeed a lie. The speaking up about this is your turning point. You outwardly spoke what you know is the truth and the audience looks at you like you do not know what you are talking about.
The fact that he is dead is not seen by the audience but only the respect for the speaker and the blind acceptance of his words. It can represent the JW's not being able to recognize what you now know to be true. They look back at the high position the speaker represents but refuse to accept the fact that it cannot be true. They look at the reverence they give the religion and do not see the contradiction in it's message. They accept a message by believing a lie based on an image that represents good. You alone in your dream know the real truth, but they cannot accept it.
I need to stop here, this is way too long. Since this stuff is all open to individual interpretation I will leave it at this point. If you want me to play with the rest of it, I will. I'm just trying to keep my posts a bit shorter than I have in the resent few weeks. I'm starting to be one of those long preachy boring posters I hate to read.
This was fun Skipper. Personally I think you are going through some kind of personal transition or you need a girlfriend (or both). That or you need to cut a little garlic and the Jack Daniels out of your diet. Either way, thanks for the fun post.
Your buddy,
Dave
in 1972 the great irish balladeer don mcclean introduced the song "american pie.
" it was and still is a classic.
the song is full of symbolism and even to this day almost thirty years after the song was first introduced, mcclean will not reveal the real meanings behind much of that symbolism.. in that song, he sings about "the day the music died.
Fark,
It's a gift.
I was just mess'n with ya.
Dave