Also read Romans 10 -14 for anyone who thinks call apon the name of the lord means Jehovah.
Sorry I can’t really copy and paste on this phone.
It requires in the Jews not believing in god.
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263What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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Riley
The ambiguous use of the Tetragrammaton when applied to Jesus in the New Testament is reference to the strange being in the Old Testament who appears to be separate yet co-internal with god. The Jehovah said to Jehovah , the word of the lord , the I have seen the glory of god etc etc.
Please don’t use that “ other “ crap. It makes my skin crawl.
Feel free to fight about it till the end of time but at least try and understand the New Testament narrative. Once you understand the basic story , you will understand how pointless arguing about this all is.
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The day the music died.
by Fisherman inis there any new music or singers whatsoever nowadays or just junk?
and how about movies, besides documentaries is there anything at all, any movie at all, any new actor at all that that has any real worth to watch and enjoy or is it all a boring waste of time.
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Riley
My musical gems over the past 25 or so years.
1999- At at the Drive in.
2001-ish- White Stripes.
2019- Power Trip.
I have discovered bands and artist long after the their prime and in some cases after they were dead.
My Bloody Valentine
Joy Division
Humm
My hidden gems have been few and far between though.
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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slimboyfat
You sure seem to struggle with basic bible narrative.
John 1:18
Lets me guess " but but but Jesus is just a god, not a god ".
Me- Who were they talking too in the old testament ?
SBF- That was " a god ".
Me- A god named Jehovah ?
SBF- Yeah but is just a god, not god.
Me- So Jehovah is like Zeus ?
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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The story of the New Testament is.
1. First century Christian’s realizing Jesus is the promised messiah of the one testament.
2. Jesus is the son god and son of man.
3. Jesus is the visible touchable manifestion of Jehovah in the Old Testament. The Angel of the lord, the word of the lord , the glory of the lord, the second Jehovah throughout the Old Testament.
Making the name Jesus know. Is the equivalent of making the power and being or what god is.
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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Riley
One of the old testament titles of god was "the hashem" which literally meant " the name ". Throughout the old testament you hear things like " we have established the name of god here " or " an angel with the name of god lead me ". It was a reference to the power or being of what god was or is. Not just uttering a magical word.
When Jesus says things in the new testament to the reference making the name of god known, it is more making reference to the power or being of what God is, not just providing first century Christians with the missing letters of the tetragrammaton.
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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The book of a Revelation has a pattern where the author would hear something " old testament imagery " and the would hear something completely different. Example- Hear The mighty Lion, see the bloody lamb. It is all based on the idea that Jesus defeated his enemies by dying for them. not fighting them.
The 144,000 is a reference to a military census from the book of Numbers.
He heard the calling of the 144,000, he saw the great crowd that no one could number.
The 144,000 is a symbol of the church, the redempted body of Christ.
The new covenant is not a limited arrangement.
More important is I could be wrong and I also don't care either. Eschatology is the playground of the cults and false religions anyway.
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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?
by Vanderhoven7 init seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.
who is the way, the truth and the life?
(john 14:6).
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Riley
So basically
1. Lets ignore the fact tetragrammaton is more likely pronounced as yahweh not jehovah.
2. There are no copies of the new testament that contain the tetragrammaton.
3. The new testament ambiguously applies the tetragrammaton to both god and jesus from old testament quotes.
4. Lets not deal with the idea that the only scriptures first century Christians had was the old testament. There is no need to look at the ambiguous nature of yahweh in the old testament. Is there two or one, I don't get it. Boy, some of these terms being re-quoted in the new testament sure seem familiar.
5. Lets completely ignore the fact that the people who believe this stuff come from an environment where you will have your family taken away from you if you disagree with any of the theology.
Anyone smell anything ?
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?
by Vanderhoven7 ini know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.
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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..
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So Hitler gets a do over but am destroyed forever and forever.
Unless I kill myself.
There is a plot twist I never saw coming.
Awesome.