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  Who plays a musical instrument?

  by JH in

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  everybody likes music, but i don't know many people who play an instrument.

  years ago, every house had a piano, and just about everybody in the house played the piano, but not today.

  we all know that farkel is an excellent pianist, and i do enjoy listening to his music.. does any of you play a musical instrument?

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  I play guitar, penny whistle, flute and bodhran(that time of yr.again).
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  Dany Heatly gets 4th!!!

  by Seven in

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  yeah baby!!

  scratch my back with a hacksaw!!

  dany heatly scores his fourth goal in today's nhl all star game-becomes the youngest all star player to score a hat trick at 22 yrs of age.

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  Yeah Baby!! Scratch my back with a hacksaw!! Dany Heatly scores his fourth goal in today's NHL All Star Game-becomes the youngest All Star player to score a hat trick at 22 yrs of age. He buried his fourth from Jags just a moment ago. Love those young players-Hossa, Thornton and Heatly. The future of hockey is in skilled hands!!
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  a note of caution

  by czarofmischief in

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  this site helps explain some people's reservations about child abuse allegations.. http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_case.htm.

  why is it so important that incompetent people (ie.

  the elders) not be allowed to be the investigative, judicial, and enforcement arms in these kind of cases?

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  of the passionate about this issue so don't judge me too harshly class.

  Nobody in their right mind would judge you harshly. Thank gawd for you and people like you. The individuals who now claim they knew what was going on in the Missouri case can imo, tell it to the court. Poor excuses for human beings. How conveeeenient for the author that he no longer remembers-liar!

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  Pedophile Priest/Clergy and Effects on Society

  by Seven in

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  catholic pedophile priests:.

  the effect on u.s. society

  by tom economus .

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  Catholic Pedophile Priests:
  The Effect on U.S. Society

  By Tom Economus

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  Current estimates of Roman Catholic priests in the U.S.= 49,000 to 50,000

  Estimates of pedophile priests = 3,000 (6.1%) to 8,000 (16.3%)

  188 Dioceses in the U.S. Divide 3,000 by 188 = 16 perpetrators per diocese
  Divide 8,000 by 188 = 42 perpetrators per diocese

  Current experts claim a pedophile could abuse 200-265 children in a lifetime.
  200 x 16 perps/diocese = 3,200 victims/diocese
  200 x 42 perps/diocese = 8,400 victims/diocese
  3,200 victims/diocese x 188 dioceses = 601,600 victims in U.S.
  8,400 victims/diocese x 188 dioceses = 1,579,200 victims in U.S.

  Average American family consists of 4-6 people
  (3,200 victims/diocese) 601,600 victims x 4 family members = 2,406,400 indirect victims
  60l,000 victims x 6 family members = 3,609,600 indirect victims
  (8,400 victims/diocese) 1,579,200 x 4 family members = 6,316,800 indirect victims
  1,579,200 x 6 family members = 9,475,200 indirect victims

  These numbers are a reflection of immediate family only and do not reflect the indirect victims within the parishes that are affected.

  188 Bishops are responsible for the pain of at least 601,600 direct victims and as many as 9,475,200 indirect victims a total of as many as 10,076,800 people. Clearly, something is wrong.

  Additional information:

  Using the lower numbers the number of direct victims and survivors alone could populate a city larger than Boston. Using the higher numbers, it would be the fourth largest city in the U.S. one between the size of Houston and Chicago.

  Note

  : These figures were compiled by the late Linkup president from many sources, and unfortunately, he did not cite all of them. The number of dioceses and priests in the country are widely known. The percentage that are pedophile priests remains controversial; AW Richard Sipe, one of the leading experts, estimates around 6%.

  Four in 10 US Catholic nuns report having experienced sexual abuse

  , (a rate equivalent to that reported by American women in general), a study by Catholic researchers supported by major religious orders, has found. The study found that sisters have known sexual abuse less in childhood, dispelling what the authors call an "anti-Catholic" canard that girls fled to convents to escape sexual advances. During religious life, close to 30% of the nation's 85,000 nuns experienced "sexual trauma," ranging from rape to exploitation to harassment. A total of 40% reported a least one experience of that kind. NCR, 1/15/99
  See The Nuns' Stories <nuns.html>

  for more information.

  The Wisconsin Psychological Association's survey found offenders distributed among the following professions: Psychiatrists 34%, Psychologists 19%, Social Workers 13%, Clergy 11%, Physicians 6%, Marriage Counselors 4%, and Others 14%.

  The Center for Domestic Violence found that 12.6% of clergy said they had sex with church members. 47% of clergy women were harassed by clergy colleagues.

  The Presbyterian Church stated that 10-23% of clergy have "inappropriate sexual behavior or contact" with clergy and employees.

  The United Methodist research (1990) showed 38.6% of Ministers had sexual contact with church members and that 77% of church workers experienced some type of sexual harassment.

  The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place have been sexually harassed by male clergy.

  The Southern Baptists claim 14.1% of their clergy have sexually abused members.

  In the Roman Catholic Church there are over 800 priests that have been removed from ministry as a result of allegations against them. We also know of 1,400 insurance claims on the books and that the Church has paid out over $1 billion in liability with an estimated $500 million pending. One noted expert claims that there are over 5,000 priests with some type of allegation against them. If this is true, then there are at least 1,000,000 direct victims of clergy sexual abuse and between 4-6 million indirect victims in the U.S.

  Edited by - sevenofnine on 1 February 2003 14:16:16
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  Ottawa Citizen on WT Paedophile Problem

  by expatbrit in

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  He said that any large organization will include some people who molest children.-Thomas

  So on one hand he says the harbouring of pedophiles is a gross exaggeration, then turns around and admits that any large org will include child molestors. Yeah, right. One living on borrowed time. Sounds like he's describing an org in deep sauce and on it way out. Time to pay the piper, boys. Society isn't going to tolerate your lies any longer. Get the cells ready.

  Good on all those seeking justice.

  love, seven
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  SELF IDENTITY

  by Guest 77 in

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  i'm going to take a short chapter out of my golf book (written in 1998) and share it with you, chapter 13, 'self identity'.

  "many times you hear of phrases or song lyrics that are immediately associated with one particular person.

  sammy davis jr. with "i want to be me, i want to be me".

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  77,

  A most excellent post!

  DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN YOUR SELF IDENTITY, BE ORIGINAL.

  The most successful and unique individuals I'm acquainted with are those "different drummers" who have learned to appreciate the pleasure of their own company. They don't require a group identity and are not prisoners of the oft discussed "group think." Instead of struggling to emulate others they've made the most of "their own swing." I'd like to think I have done this to some extent.

  Your book sounds like an excellent read. :)

  seven

  (If you think my driving's bad you ought to see me put class)
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  Fifth Estate - Powerful Quotes from Program

  by reporter in

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  2. child-abuse

  i took the time this evening to come up with a word-for-word transcript of various telling quotes from the fifth estate - spiritual shepherds show.

  there were so many many more, but here are some highlights as follows... .

  bob mckeown, host & narrator.

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  "Holly's stepfather will die behind bars."-Bob McKeown Sweet justice.
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  A Few Thoughts On Barred Posters.

  by Englishman in

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  there are posters that are naturally disruptive and attacking in their behaviour, and after a while their departure is greeted with relief by most folk here.

  we've all had experience of people like that.. my biggest concern is for the poster who is simply amazingly volatile, yet is actually a big-hearted person beneath all of the bravado.

  i think of them as "garbage mouths", because they just can not contain themselves, especially when they have had a few drinks or the adrenaline is running on high.. maybe it would be a good idea, if, rather than actually barring someone, they were to receive a compulsory "time-out" period, say of 7days or so.

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  Maybe it would be a good idea, if, rather than actually barring someone, they were to receive a compulsory "time-out" period, say of 7days or so. Then, for one example, if 2 or more posters were flaming each another, they would all just be suspended for a 7 day period. There wouldn't necessarily be too much stigma to such a course of action, nor would it be always essential to make an announcement that such a thing had occured. No he saids she saids, just the fact that they are carrying on like that being the problem as opposed to who is right or wrong.

  I could live with this only if the thread(s) in question be placed in a viewable deletions bin and others not "timed-out" who start the shite stirring and continue the discussion in their absence, join them in limbo for a week. The whole situation is becoming very tiresome. I mean, how many years is it going to take?

  On another board I moderate the rules call for a three month suspension, a six, then you're gone. Seldom does anyone require a six. Some of the best posters there have served a three, myself included. If a poster doesn't get it after a number of suspensions they're never going to. For some it's pointless. You must be consistent and unbiased in who you choose to banish and a moderator doesn't need to be in a poster's face constantly. The best moddys I know are ones that nobody knows.. :) They're assigned numbers by the admin.

  Good thread, EM.

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  I'M HAVING MY BABY

  by bluesapphire in

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  2. friends

  i just wanted to let you know that i'm having my only son tomorrow at 4:00 pm by cesarean section.

  i'll be away for a while and when i come back i don't know how much time i'll have but i wanted you all to know.

  i'll post the details when i get home monday or tuesday..

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  Congratulations and best wishes Blue!
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  JW or Catholic scandal worse?

  by JH in

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  do you think that the pedophile problem in the watchtower organization is just as important as in the catholic church?

  if we knew the statistics, and found out that there were a lot fewer pedophiles in the watchtower org.

  than in other religions, would this be a victory on their part?

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  I believe ours to be much worse because of the everything mentioned in Lady Lee's post.

  Some interesting stats:

  Catholic Pedophile Priests:
  The Effect on U.S. Society

  By Tom Economus

  +

  HOME <index.html> + ARCHIVES <archive.html> +

  Current estimates of Roman Catholic priests in the U.S.= 49,000 to 50,000

  Estimates of pedophile priests = 3,000 (6.1%) to 8,000 (16.3%)

  188 Dioceses in the U.S. Divide 3,000 by 188 = 16 perpetrators per diocese
  Divide 8,000 by 188 = 42 perpetrators per diocese

  Current experts claim a pedophile could abuse 200-265 children in a lifetime.
  200 x 16 perps/diocese = 3,200 victims/diocese
  200 x 42 perps/diocese = 8,400 victims/diocese
  3,200 victims/diocese x 188 dioceses = 601,600 victims in U.S.
  8,400 victims/diocese x 188 dioceses = 1,579,200 victims in U.S.

  Average American family consists of 4-6 people
  (3,200 victims/diocese) 601,600 victims x 4 family members = 2,406,400 indirect victims
  60l,000 victims x 6 family members = 3,609,600 indirect victims
  (8,400 victims/diocese) 1,579,200 x 4 family members = 6,316,800 indirect victims
  1,579,200 x 6 family members = 9,475,200 indirect victims

  These numbers are a reflection of immediate family only and do not reflect the indirect victims within the parishes that are affected.

  188 Bishops are responsible for the pain of at least 601,600 direct victims and as many as 9,475,200 indirect victims a total of as many as 10,076,800 people. Clearly, something is wrong.

  Additional information:

  Using the lower numbers the number of direct victims and survivors alone could populate a city larger than Boston. Using the higher numbers, it would be the fourth largest city in the U.S. one between the size of Houston and Chicago.

  Note

  : These figures were compiled by the late Linkup president from many sources, and unfortunately, he did not cite all of them. The number of dioceses and priests in the country are widely known. The percentage that are pedophile priests remains controversial; AW Richard Sipe, one of the leading experts, estimates around 6%.

  Four in 10 US Catholic nuns report having experienced sexual abuse, (a rate equivalent to that reported by American women in general), a study by Catholic researchers supported by major religious orders, has found. The study found that sisters have known sexual abuse less in childhood, dispelling what the authors call an "anti-Catholic" canard that girls fled to convents to escape sexual advances. During religious life, close to 30% of the nation's 85,000 nuns experienced "sexual trauma," ranging from rape to exploitation to harassment. A total of 40% reported a least one experience of that kind. NCR, 1/15/99
  See The Nuns' Stories <nuns.html> for more information.

  The Wisconsin Psychological Association's survey found offenders distributed among the following professions: Psychiatrists 34%, Psychologists 19%, Social Workers 13%, Clergy 11%, Physicians 6%, Marriage Counselors 4%, and Others 14%.

  The Center for Domestic Violence found that 12.6% of clergy said they had sex with church members. 47% of clergy women were harassed by clergy colleagues.

  The Presbyterian Church stated that 10-23% of clergy have "inappropriate sexual behavior or contact" with clergy and employees.

  The United Methodist research (1990) showed 38.6% of Ministers had sexual contact with church members and that 77% of church workers experienced some type of sexual harassment.

  The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place have been sexually harassed by male clergy.

  The Southern Baptists claim 14.1% of their clergy have sexually abused members.

  In the Roman Catholic Church there are over 800 priests that have been removed from ministry as a result of allegations against them. We also know of 1,400 insurance claims on the books and that the Church has paid out over $1 billion in liability with an estimated $500 million pending. One noted expert claims that there are over 5,000 priests with some type of allegation against them. If this is true, then there are at least 1,000,000 direct victims of clergy sexual abuse and between 4-6 million indirect victims in the U.S.

  Our institutional churches, who have proclaimed themselves to be the moral backbone of society, have failed all of us. We need to continue to bring them to moral and civil accountability. I think we might want to pray for them as well.