Posts by AlainAlam

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Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?

by AlainAlam in

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how do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.

now some of you still believe in the bible.

to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.

AlainAlam

Giordano, they will say "they" are not coercing you into doing anything. You signed up for this when you made your dedication to Jehovah. You knew about DF/DA. We're just here to help you live up to your dedication to Jehovah. And if you don't want to, you're free to.

The basic issue is dedication/baptism. I can't make an eternal vow. I'm imperfect. I misunderstand stuff. I misjudge the importance of stuff. I change my mind on stuff. I grow. I can't make an eternal promise. The concept a human making an eternal vow is stupid. If Jehovah existed, he would have known that.

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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

by AlainAlam in

sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

AlainAlam

JWTom thank you, interesting.

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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

by AlainAlam in

sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

AlainAlam

Nitty-Gritty, imagine I'm driving and I hit your son. I kill him. By mistake, not on purpose.

Then I send you a text message saying "don't worry, he'll be resurrected". With the intention of putting your mind at ease.

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Need help - How do you determine whether to show a JW the truth or not?

by AlainAlam in

jw
friends

how do you determine whether to show a jw the truth or not?.

now some of you still believe in the bible.

to you the answer would be obvious - we preach to anyone as much as possible.

AlainAlam

Everyone, thank you for your input! Very helpful.

And caves, thank you for your input in particular, read it several times :)

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A chance for the unrighteous?

by AlainAlam in

the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.

AlainAlam

caves, you're right. I meant, from a scriptural point of view.

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A chance for the unrighteous?

by AlainAlam in

the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.

AlainAlam

JoenB75 thanks for your input. I agree there are graceful bits of course.

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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

by AlainAlam in

sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

AlainAlam

Nittt-Gritty: They published a wrong definition with the best of intentions. They swept their mistake under the rug in a footnote with not so laudable intentions.

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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

by AlainAlam in

sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

AlainAlam

Nitty-Gritty of course "fruits" involve more than an apology. The fact that they correct/improve their beliefs/procedures is definitely to their credit. But it doesn't mean there's no need for an apology. If I stomp your foot, it's not sufficient for me to just stomp your foot - I should also admit my mistake and apologize.

Also, let's not get confused between two things. Supposing that the Bible is God's world and that the second definition of porneia is the correct one, the WT's first definition is wrong at two separate levels:

1) It is a wrong teaching in itself, so they're teaching something unrighteous. Readers were taught something wrong, but that's it. I can accept it that no apology is required. Readers were taught something wrong, now things have been rectified and we move on to something else.

2) It caused people to take action and divorce unscripturally, which put them in line for adultery when they remarried. Updating the definition doesn't tackle this issue. So, where are their fruits of repentance?

There's no way I can view this as any other thing than unrepentance/bad intent.

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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"

by AlainAlam in

sorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.

i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.

but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!

AlainAlam

3rdgen "the WTBT$ stated that homosexual acts committed by someone married were a perversion but were NOT scriptural grounds for divorce. The Aid book distributed in 1972 said so in print." I didn't know. No apologies there either.

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A chance for the unrighteous?

by AlainAlam in

the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.

AlainAlam

Rev 19.5 speaks of "fierceness and wrath". Sounds like destroying evildoers, not teaching them and helping them dedicate their lives to Jehovah.

I don't believe the "relatively-righteous" thing either. I don't believe in the Bible anymore. I'm just trying to see where the Witnesses went wrong, doctrinally.