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  Wait one minute here!!! Did the GB PURPOSEFULLY launch a D.O.S. attack on Russia? (aka the letter writting campaign)

  by GTSfromSY in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:.

  a few months back i spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the wt.

  he is very hip to what is going on in the wt however.

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  @OrphanCrow: Oh...my...GOD! Please, pleeeaaaseee start a post if you ever find that information on the email scandal or DM me if you are not comfortable with that. That, if I have actual proof, is EVERYTHING! That is huge for me for undisclosed reasons. Yes, please let me know sir or madam, whichever title applies :)
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  Wait one minute here!!! Did the GB PURPOSEFULLY launch a D.O.S. attack on Russia? (aka the letter writting campaign)

  by GTSfromSY in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:.

  a few months back i spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the wt.

  he is very hip to what is going on in the wt however.

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  @slimboyfat: I know slim. That angers me. The abuse these WT and GB members/corp. owners inflict on others.

  When I left I did not leave with any bitterness for current JW's. I still consider them siblings. Misguided, irrational, abused siblings, yes, but I would still help them in a heart beat in any way I could if they asked me for it.

  So when you get right down to it and see what these GB members are doing, its sickening. Just absolutely demonic men!
  
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  Wait one minute here!!! Did the GB PURPOSEFULLY launch a D.O.S. attack on Russia? (aka the letter writting campaign)

  by GTSfromSY in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:.

  a few months back i spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the wt.

  he is very hip to what is going on in the wt however.

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  @Drearyweather: Excellent point! I have never heard of those individuals. I guess I was wrapped up in other events but in 2014 to have paid attention to that.

  However, there are a few factors the make the WT organization different:

  One: They are a religion (*cough* cult *cough*) that claims to be politically neutral. A people said be relying on their God Jehovah and disfellowshiping those that violate that policy. In fact the last "broadcast" was all about beholding "Jehovah's hand" at work with the Warwick building are other ventures.
  

  Two: Amnesty International has strong ties with the UN, again making their campaign politically based, opposite of what WT claims to be, which is fine. They are not an anti-UN cult so it's ok.
  

  Three: At the end of the day the letter writing campaign, even as described by the Amnesty International, do disrupt things, for a good cause, but is disruptive non-the-less. It does stated plainly on the actually site that the letters put "pressure" on the nations and people in question. Again fine for a political organization or political person, but unscriptural for the WT organization per their own religion doctrine of not causing a disturbance and being politically neutral.
  

  Don't get me wrong I am all about change and the Amnesty international seems to be genuinely targeting the problems. I actually am now interested in the organization and will research them further because I liked what I read, however I am always careful about the charities I support. Thanks for the tip though!

  @MrRoboto: Yet it's a bit late. For me the letter writing deal came and went. When I did my research I saw absolutely nothing on the subject from the standpoint of the possible impact. That's why I became interested and yes I was greatly underestimating the numbers to show the ridiculousness. However as Drearyweather mention there were other political letter writing campaigns that saw millions of letters for certain causes. That has to hurt somehow. Not exactly what I would imagine Jesus doing or encouraging others to do! :/
  
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  Watchtower and the Robert F Kennedy assasination

  by pale.emperor in

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  only stumbled upon this letter today:.

  http://jw-wayback.org/jw-wb/english/letters/to%20congregations/1916-2006/1968-07-09%20to%20all%20congregations%20in%20the%20usa%20(jw%20involved%20in%20assassination%20of%20kennedy).pdf.

  apparently, the father of bobby kennedy's killer was accused of being a jw.

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  Man, what a find! This organization's history never ceases to amaze!
  
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  Wait one minute here!!! Did the GB PURPOSEFULLY launch a D.O.S. attack on Russia? (aka the letter writting campaign)

  by GTSfromSY in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:.

  a few months back i spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the wt.

  he is very hip to what is going on in the wt however.

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  I know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:
  

  A few months back I spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the WT. He is very hip to what is going on in the WT however. Somehow we got to talking about crazy things the WT corp is currently doing and the conversation turned to the Russia letter campaign, the one in 2017.
  
  He asked me if I took part in it and I told him NO SIR!!! I did not write any letters because I did not think it was appropriate and was against my "christian" conscience. Then he told me “Good for you because you could have participated in a crime! You see even although they may have been well intended "Gabe", JW's inadvertently launched a literal “DOS” (or Denial of Service Attack) without knowing it and could have potentially participated in a international crime."
  

  WHAAAAAT?! I screamed. "Outrageous man".
  

  NOTE: For the non-tech savvy, a DOS or Denial of service attack, in an over-simplified nutshell is a cyber based (computer based that is) attack when someone programs a virus (or digital bot) to send and resend over and over massive amounts of information, emails, etc at a target and flood their system or inbox so the legit mail, information, data. etc, either cannot come through or it gets lost in the flood of other data. It has disastrous consequences on their business operations.
  
  Example: Imagine owing a business and going into your inbox or voice mail for the business and seeing over 1,000,000 emails and getting 10,000’s every hour. If you have valid business email requests, information, or other data based correspondence imagine the nightmare you would have trying to locate them through the digital hodge-podge. It’s considered a cyber-terrorist attack and a very serious (if not multiple) felony crime here in the US.
  
  Back to the story....
  
  So we both starting reasoning on this, trying to piece this together to see if that was really so and what we came up with was actually VERY disturbing:

  I will give you guys some numbers we both, on a very spur-of-the-moment mind you, came up with. Keep in mind I am using figures from the US mail, FedEx and UPS websites. We will also assume that only 1 million (1/8 of all JW publishers) wrote letters, just to keep the numbers rounded and simple. I will always underestimate when possible. Here we go (I hope my numbers are correct):

  
  1. A US international letter varies in size and shape but average is 1 oz in weight, 6”x8” in size and roughly 1/8” in thickness (ref: usps.com and various yahoo answers posts) for the average size international parcel.
  
  2. One US mail transport box (the average kind that businesses use to mail large amounts of items out in the US), can vary but is, on average, 18” x 18” x 18” high and can hold about roughly 200 parcels of average size, give or take 20 to 30 either way depending on thickness. (Remember international parcels can be pretty thick depending on how many letters were in each parcel) So nutshell: 1 US transport mail box = 200 parcels. 1,000,000 parcels equal: 5,000 boxes MINIMAL.
  
  3. The average FedEx truck holds 70 to 200 various sized boxes. 100 boxes (reference: Yahoo answers regarding how many Christmas boxes can a FedEx truck hold answered by an actual employee.) of that size would fit in an average (there are many sizes) FedEx truck. 5,000 boxes equal: 50 truck loads. Or......
  
  4. A average size warehouse pallet would hold 36 boxes of that size safely (3 boxes by 3 boxes or 9 total base size, and 4 boxes high) or 54"x54"x72” high or 4.5’x4.5'x 6’ high, so 36 boxes. So ~139 pallets would be needed. Next time your at Costco or Home Depot see how many pallets they have in one given area to get an idea of what that number would look like. Still with me. OK, we’ll keep going! It gets worse...
  
  5. The request for international letters began on March 23, 2017 and the deadline was April 1, 2017 with the actual court trial to take place around April 5, 2017. Also keep in mind that international mail takes awhile depending on shipping options. So total JW's would have had 8 business days to respond.
  
  7. Oh, I forgot to mention that the St. Petersburg Russian metro terrorist attack happened during this time on April 3, 2017. How did that affect the influx of this mail or visa-versa?
  
  So you mean to tell me that in 8 business (Monday through Friday) days a group of Russian governmental VOLUNTEERS (YES you heard right because you can’t post a classified job opening for this and have interviews for it, train them, setup an office space, or building devoted for this letter reading campaign in that amount of time) of multi-lingual speaking people (who just happen to be in Russia and willing to volunteer) unload/receive at least 50 TRUCKS/140 wrapped pallets worth of mail WITH A FORKLIFT, mind you, unwrap the pallets, dispose of the wooden pallets and wrapping, sort it, open it (completely bypassing all safety code; think anthrax and other potential attacks during this time of terrorist attacks going on), read and translate the mail, and then form some kind of committee or presentation for those politicians and governors (because those guys aren’t going to reading through that crap) all in that span of time???

  REALLY? That does not make any bloody sense! No business or corporation would ever think that was a good idea if they REALLY were trying to accomplish it's goal of being actually read by or to Putin and the others on the list. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE and any corporation would have had to know that!
  
  The fish smell is getting stronger. I did some digging and found this out: if you are wondering if the GB knows about how this could impact Russia in a negative way consider this:

  During natural disasters that affected members worldwide, the WT branch from New York have themselves sent congregation letters to elders to be read during announcements, telling brothers and sisters to STOP WRITING AND STOP SENDING SUPPLIES to particular branches when various disasters were occurring because they were, granted out of love, causing many problems because it was hurting relief efforts and various correspondence due to the shear AMOUNT of what was received.

  Clearly they know to some degree, how bad this could turn. So the question is: Did the GB, who clearly know all about the impact of receiving tons (literal) of international mail themselves, use and manipulate witnesses world wide to instigate trouble in Russia?
  
  I am not here to spout conspiracy theories or even state an answer because I do not know. It could be possible that the GB are just stupid and irrational (various sources to possibly prove that point are abundantly available)!
  

  I cannot prove anything, however I can prove this: IT'S FISHY. It's ILLOGICAL. It's IRRATIONAL. All those things are facts. Proven facts. Mind you too all my estimates are at only 1/8 of current witness numbers!!! Witnesses who participated, unbeknown to them, HAD TO HAVE caused a negative impact to Russia in some way, especially during those terror attack periods. These letters had their NAMES, personal ADDRESSES, SIGNATURES and even businesses on them.
  
  Penny for everyone's thoughts on this. This is very upsetting. Even if it is not true that the GB did it on purpose and are just stupid morons, it sure can be easily spun that way. JW's = terrorist! Peaceful nonviolent terrorist! Yes, nonviolent terrorist do exist. There are actually many green-movement terrorist that operate that way and cause all kinds of problems, so it is not as far fetch as it sounds!

  Either way, I do not like the vibe I am getting from this at all.

  Hell, all my relatives that are PIMI wrote multiple letters. Could that come back to haunt them at a later time?
  
  Sincerely a very disturbed “Gabe Syme”
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  Family Insists on Having Relationship with My Child -_-

  by Cimarrona in

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  hi gang, i'm a single mother of an 8 month old baby boy.

  i've been df'd for over six years now.

  my parents are super dubs and most of my siblings are dubs (on paper - a couple have been inactive my entire life but still claim to believe) with the exception of a brother who was never baptized.

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  I would recommend that you, and one’s in your situation analytically think about this for a minute:
  
  Here is the bottom line Cimarrona: the end game your parents and other parents like them are playing is to “save” your children by indoctrinating them with the truth so they do not “die in Armageddon”. THEY ARE DOING IT by either word or deeds whether you think they are or not. THAT is the only reason why they care about your kids.
  
  If your children do not respond and they cannot indoctrinate them, eventually your parents will have NO CHOICE but to cut off your child anyway because “they don't want anything to do with Jehovah”. They have to! They are instructed to do so, according to the current doctrine.
  
  If it DOES work and your child becomes responsive to their influences, watch out because your kids will then do that same to YOU.

  Sorry to sound mean about this but the Watchtower controls your family as well as mine/others and they are DANGEROUS due to the belief system. It is hard to think about your own parents in that way but it is true. The last thing you want are your parents AND your kids shunning you.

  Don’t let those monkeys aka governing body members all the way in NYC affect your life and happiness like that!

  I personally would NOT let my parents see my children unless I was there with them, PERIOD. So if they don't want to see me, then you will not see my kids. I would however still be nice and cordial to them.
  
  Just my two sense!
  
  Gabe.
  
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  So here is my long winded story....

  by GTSfromSY in

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  thanks for the warm greetings all.

  wow!

  i am very moved, really.

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  @ dubstepped: thank you my friend :)

  You are so right about having a great support group here. I'll tell you, to see couples leave together is beautiful to behold. You are truly blessed. Have a good night and Happy Holidays!

  LOL, that feels VERY weird yet EXTREMELY satisfying saying that to everyone.
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  A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

  by LisaRose in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

  when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

  there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

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  I...I don't know what to say. My mind is numb. My heart goes out to her and those like her. That perpetrator and the belief system/organization structure is at fault here.

  With child abuse saturating most of the abuse related conversation about the WT, we forget about the other abuse scandals: adult rape, especially spousal, is too damn common and unreported for the most part (sorry but abuses are my trigger) in that relig...no screw that, that cult!
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  So here is my long winded story....

  by GTSfromSY in

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  thanks for the warm greetings all.

  wow!

  i am very moved, really.

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  @ redpilltwice: You are so right!!!!

  @ junkyarddog: I will look up that name. you know ironically it was so easy to find way back in the day but I can't seem to pull the particular one I remember reading. It was in a letter format. That is all I can say. The author directly address the Bethel rep reading the letter with reasoning like "we need to be careful brother, that quote is incorrect" and such.

  @ orphancrow: the book (too long for me to read) is well indept but what I read back in the day was written in a letter format. It may be the same information however. I am not sure yet. I will give the pdf a good read.

  @pale emperor I am in the US. I sure would love to visit the UK however one day!!! Is that where you from? The avatar is just a pic representing the first "difficult" book I read in junior high: the man who was thursday. I loved the concept of the book: infiltrating an organization to spy them out and finding out that the people you were spying on were just like you all a long.
  

  @ junkyarddog: the blog is a GOLDMINE!!!!!! My friend, you just gave me a gem. Thanks you x10. I do research and write scripts for a few youtube channels and blogs out there and this will definitely come in handy!

  @ earnest: I am starting to think that Alanf may be the guy. I am not sure. i am going solely on (aging/bad) memory!

  @Magnum: Thanks my friend and BTW I love your posts of the past. It feels weird to finally directly speak to you in person. Nice!!! I too was born in the country but we moved later in life to good ol' suburbia.

  @BrianJ: Thanks my firend. It does get slow in parts, but the shock of WHAT those elders say will grip you. there is an elder that got cornered hard and he looked MAD! LOL. The ARC senior council Angus Stewart (the guy with the glasses questioning the elders) was a blessing. i hope to meet him in person and thank him for his work someday.
  

  @punkofnice: LOL. Being a born in I sure didn't get none of those shenanigans in I was young.

  @introvert 2: You know I have seen my fair share of recorded judicial committee meetings and "shepherding calls" on Youtube and the person in question asks the elders to explain that point and they refuse to even acknowledge it. there is just no answer for it...period.
  
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  Years REALLY DO FLY BY!

  by somebody in

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  i just realized that i was 39 years old when i joined this discussion board.

  i remember the morning conversations that always brought me laughter, and i think there were only a but about 9 or 10 regulars back then!

  i will now turn 57 years old in a few months.

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  @MrRoboto

  LOL. If it is it's driving like my mom, all over the dog-gone road.