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  If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?

  by TxNVSue2023 in

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  even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

  i still belive this is the truth.

  i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.

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  Jofi_Wofo

  There may not be a true religion. Even if you think JWs are the closest to being "The Truth" of all religions, that doesn't mean that it's the true religion or that there even is a true religion.

  But to get down to the heart of the matter- the Watchtower has never in its entire history come up with a single, original, doctrine or teaching that has later been verified as true by any form of external evidence. Over 150 years, every single JW prediction has failed to occur. Every pseudoscientific claim they have made has proven to be untrue. Every historically revisionist claim they have made has proven to be untrue. 95% of JW doctrines have been tossed aside by the religion itself as being untrue. The current crop of teachings are either unoriginal (ie, borrowed from other religions that supposedly don't have God's holy spirit, or copied and pasted from the very secular bible scholars that JWs otherwise dismiss as being blinded by Satan) or require an a priori, completely unearned, trust that the governing body has been appointed by God to reveal truth.

  This is a religion that claims that faith is based on evidence but insists that every time the evidence conflicts with the faith, it is the faith that you must adhere to and not the evidence. This is a religion that, despite historically being wrong about everything, does not accept that there is any legitimate reason not to believe in it, and will use its billion dollar multinational media production operation to publicly slander you as a dangerous, deluded, hateful liar.
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  Tony & JW made it to Norweigian media - even a pic of "dat broadcast"

  by Festus in

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  2. scandals

  well well am3 made it to norweigian media with hsi rant about religouse persecution.. hereis the link.. share your thoughts.. ble nektet statstøtte: jehovas vitner vurderer juridiske skritt – vårt land (vl.no) .

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  Unless I've been missing something, this is a pretty new phenomenon. That of the GB and others of high rank in the organization insisting that they will "never change" their "scriptural position" on a matter. As if there wasn't 150 years of the WTBTS constantly changing almost every single position it has ever taken. Even the disfellowshipping/shunning policy has been changed before.

  They're becoming bolder and bolder, and I wonder how they will worm out of their previous statements that they will never change their position when the light inevitably gets brighter and they come up with an "updated understanding".
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  Reproof announcement wording.

  by Jofi_Wofo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hey, all.

  i had an old memory pop into my head today about an oddly worded announcement made by an elder at a meeting back when i was a bible study.

  i couldn't find anything in the wol nor on google about it, so i wondered if this was just some rogue one-off, or if this is the way things used to be announced.

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  Jofi_Wofo

  Hey, all. It's been a while!

  I had an old memory pop into my head today about an oddly worded announcement made by an elder at a meeting back when I was a bible study. I couldn't find anything in the WOL nor on Google about it, so I wondered if this was just some rogue one-off, or if this is the way things used to be announced. This would have occurred circa the year 2000.

  The elder was listing off several standard announcements, then invited another elder to come on stage to make just the one announcement. Without any introduction, without any context, the second elder just came to the microphone and said "Brother _____ has been counseled on the matter, and he has repented" then stepped off stage.

  So, no explanation of what "the matter" was, but phrased as if we all knew what he was talking about (we didn't). It sounds like something that would follow up a reproof or a marking talk, but I've never known reproof announcements to be phrased like that and marking talks don't mention names, so this would be a meaningless way to follow up on it.

  Does anyone else remember an announcement like this, or know of any previous policy, letter or manual that worded am announcement like this?
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  Lloyd Evans is a train wreck.

  by mickbobcat in

  1. social
  2. current

  i don't know if someone has already posted this, but lloyd has put up a video talking about his hooking up with hookers.

  personally that does not bother me but the way he is handling it is such a god damn train wreck.

  this guy is insane..

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  @loveunihateexams

  I'd want to hear Dr.Grande's take!

  It's a longshot, but I think there's a chance he would actually do a video on Lloyd if a handful of people asked him to.
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  What is your IQ? Does it Matter?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had an aunt that had rheumatic fever as a child and only had an iq the high 70's.

  but, absolutely no one was able to bs her on an emotional level.

  she had an uncanny ability to see through people's bs.

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  When I was 16, I tested at 160+. I've taken several other unofficial tests since then and I always max out whatever score it goes up to (140+, 130+, etc).

  I can confirm that it doesn't bring you wealth or friends or, quite frankly, it doesn't automatically give you good grades nor does it make you the most talented student. There are people with solidly average IQs who are light-years better at my job than I am.

  PRO - I'm a nerd who likes to learn a lot of stuff very quickly, and it's usually very easy for me to do so. So, I get more fulfillment out of my life because of it.

  CON - Nobody on the internet ever believes me, and I'd sound like a narcissistic douchebag if I ever told anyone in real life.
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  Looking for a CSA Video

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

  anyone have the video regarding that case?.

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  Jofi_Wofo

  I would have gone with a different thread title.
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  Biblical Anachronisms in JW Literature

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a recent post ffghost made a comment about how they're always inserting modern concepts into biblical narratives to make it relatable to jw's organization.

  here are some that come to mind:.

  - the capitalized term "governing body" when referring to the older men in jerusalem (really just another group of christians that paul outspokenly disagreed with and didn't look to for approval).

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  @FFGhost

  It's from 1959, which means most of the current governing body would have likely have actually believed this when they were younger.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959722

  Paragraph 15

  "Actually the Bible is so old that it has three documents written before the flood of Noah’s day four thousand years ago. The first document contains God’s dictation to Adam of the basic facts about earth’s creation. The second document, called the “book of Adam's history” (Gen. 5:1), was written by Adam himself and was carried in the Ark through the flood by faithful Noah and eventually given to Moses, who incorporated the document as part of the book of Genesis in the Bible"
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Jofi_Wofo

  I really truly hope he doesn't hurt himself and eventually finds his personal redemption. His lack of personal accountability is what troubles me the most. Maybe it's some sort of a defense mechanism. Like he can't accept the grave reality of what he has done, so he has to blame his old religion and minimize the severity of his actions. In any case, it's not healthy and won't lead to any healing.

  He also needs to stop worrying about what people are saying about him on the internet and get back to pulling the pieces of his life together.
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  Biblical Anachronisms in JW Literature

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a recent post ffghost made a comment about how they're always inserting modern concepts into biblical narratives to make it relatable to jw's organization.

  here are some that come to mind:.

  - the capitalized term "governing body" when referring to the older men in jerusalem (really just another group of christians that paul outspokenly disagreed with and didn't look to for approval).

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  Jofi_Wofo

  I'm not sure if this is in the spirit of the thread, it's more historical revisionism than it is an anachronism. The WT publications used to teach that Adam, of all people, wrote a portion of Genesis and that Noah's family preserved copies of that portion of Genesis in the ark through the flood.

  Also, quite recently, David Splane claimed that the whole of archaeology, historiology and geology are all WRONG because their demonstrated age for the Great Sphinx contradicts the Governing Body's unsupported and egregiously dogmatic interpretation of Genesis.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  Jofi_Wofo

  Jeez.

  I would think that despite whatever anyone thinks of Lloyd as a person, his recent moral failings, or his career as an activist, that we could all agree that the worst thing that could happen here is if he killed himself. He seemed on the edge of doing so while making this latest video and admitted to having wrestled with thoughts to that effect throughout the ordeal.

  Maybe we can be a little humane first and THEN worry about what a [insert preferred insult here] he is.