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i know there are several threads already on this "new light", but i didn't see one that covered this particular angle.. since the gb seem to have an ulterior motive for everything they do, well beyond their publicly stated reasons, i began to wonder why they would be concerned with pushing back the closing of the window of jesus' judgement.

this is especially puzzling because the doctrine of the start of great tribulation being the final cutoff was one that the gb seemed to especially revel in for so long.

they could hang it over everyone's heads as a looming threat.

Jofi_Wofo

I know there are several threads already on this "new light", but I didn't see one that covered this particular angle.

Since the GB seem to have an ulterior motive for everything they do, well beyond their publicly stated reasons, I began to wonder why they would be concerned with pushing back the closing of the window of Jesus' judgement. This is especially puzzling because the doctrine of the start of great tribulation being the final cutoff was one that the GB seemed to especially revel in for so long. They could hang it over everyone's heads as a looming threat.'Believe us or die! If you wait for any real evidence it's already going to be too late!'

I have 2 theories.

1) Since it's still possible to repent after the great tribulation begins, there's nothing stopping the GB from declaring that the great tribulation has already begun, whenever they see fit. Likewise, there's nothing stopping the GB from declaring the time to change to a message of judgement. Otherwise, they couldn't make this change and still get new members. No one would join a religion that teaches it's already too late to be saved. Why even bother? This change in doctrine gives them even more power and flexibility to mobilize troops in their spiritual war.

2) At this point, Bethel must be bombarded with letters from even faithful JWs questioning how this could be "the final part of the final part of the last days" when somewhere around half, if not more, of all the world's population have never been preached to or even heard of Jehovah's Witnesses. It was a staple interpretation of JWs to take Jesus words that "this good news will be preached in all the inhabited earth" to mean that everyone would have heard the message before it was too late. This would be a contradiction- the end can't be all too close if that prophecy is no where near being fulfilled. But now, they can continue claim that the end is coming any time at all because there are no more prophesies that absolutely must be fulfilled before the great tribulation starts.

Thoughts?

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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?

by TxNVSue2023 in

even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

i still belive this is the truth.

i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.

Jofi_Wofo

There may not be a true religion. Even if you think JWs are the closest to being "The Truth" of all religions, that doesn't mean that it's the true religion or that there even is a true religion.

But to get down to the heart of the matter- the Watchtower has never in its entire history come up with a single, original, doctrine or teaching that has later been verified as true by any form of external evidence. Over 150 years, every single JW prediction has failed to occur. Every pseudoscientific claim they have made has proven to be untrue. Every historically revisionist claim they have made has proven to be untrue. 95% of JW doctrines have been tossed aside by the religion itself as being untrue. The current crop of teachings are either unoriginal (ie, borrowed from other religions that supposedly don't have God's holy spirit, or copied and pasted from the very secular bible scholars that JWs otherwise dismiss as being blinded by Satan) or require an a priori, completely unearned, trust that the governing body has been appointed by God to reveal truth.

This is a religion that claims that faith is based on evidence but insists that every time the evidence conflicts with the faith, it is the faith that you must adhere to and not the evidence. This is a religion that, despite historically being wrong about everything, does not accept that there is any legitimate reason not to believe in it, and will use its billion dollar multinational media production operation to publicly slander you as a dangerous, deluded, hateful liar.

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Tony & JW made it to Norweigian media - even a pic of "dat broadcast"

by Festus in

well well am3 made it to norweigian media with hsi rant about religouse persecution.. hereis the link.. share your thoughts.. ble nektet statstøtte: jehovas vitner vurderer juridiske skritt – vårt land (vl.no) .

Jofi_Wofo

Unless I've been missing something, this is a pretty new phenomenon. That of the GB and others of high rank in the organization insisting that they will "never change" their "scriptural position" on a matter. As if there wasn't 150 years of the WTBTS constantly changing almost every single position it has ever taken. Even the disfellowshipping/shunning policy has been changed before.

They're becoming bolder and bolder, and I wonder how they will worm out of their previous statements that they will never change their position when the light inevitably gets brighter and they come up with an "updated understanding".

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Reproof announcement wording.

by Jofi_Wofo in

hey, all.

i had an old memory pop into my head today about an oddly worded announcement made by an elder at a meeting back when i was a bible study.

i couldn't find anything in the wol nor on google about it, so i wondered if this was just some rogue one-off, or if this is the way things used to be announced.

Jofi_Wofo

Hey, all. It's been a while!

I had an old memory pop into my head today about an oddly worded announcement made by an elder at a meeting back when I was a bible study. I couldn't find anything in the WOL nor on Google about it, so I wondered if this was just some rogue one-off, or if this is the way things used to be announced. This would have occurred circa the year 2000.

The elder was listing off several standard announcements, then invited another elder to come on stage to make just the one announcement. Without any introduction, without any context, the second elder just came to the microphone and said "Brother _____ has been counseled on the matter, and he has repented" then stepped off stage.

So, no explanation of what "the matter" was, but phrased as if we all knew what he was talking about (we didn't). It sounds like something that would follow up a reproof or a marking talk, but I've never known reproof announcements to be phrased like that and marking talks don't mention names, so this would be a meaningless way to follow up on it.

Does anyone else remember an announcement like this, or know of any previous policy, letter or manual that worded am announcement like this?

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Lloyd Evans is a train wreck.

by mickbobcat in

i don't know if someone has already posted this, but lloyd has put up a video talking about his hooking up with hookers.

personally that does not bother me but the way he is handling it is such a god damn train wreck.

this guy is insane..

Jofi_Wofo

@loveunihateexams

I'd want to hear Dr.Grande's take!

It's a longshot, but I think there's a chance he would actually do a video on Lloyd if a handful of people asked him to.

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What is your IQ? Does it Matter?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i had an aunt that had rheumatic fever as a child and only had an iq the high 70's.

but, absolutely no one was able to bs her on an emotional level.

she had an uncanny ability to see through people's bs.

Jofi_Wofo

When I was 16, I tested at 160+. I've taken several other unofficial tests since then and I always max out whatever score it goes up to (140+, 130+, etc).

I can confirm that it doesn't bring you wealth or friends or, quite frankly, it doesn't automatically give you good grades nor does it make you the most talented student. There are people with solidly average IQs who are light-years better at my job than I am.

PRO - I'm a nerd who likes to learn a lot of stuff very quickly, and it's usually very easy for me to do so. So, I get more fulfillment out of my life because of it.

CON - Nobody on the internet ever believes me, and I'd sound like a narcissistic douchebag if I ever told anyone in real life.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

Jofi_Wofo

I would have gone with a different thread title.

Jofi_Wofo

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