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  JW's and the National Anthem/Flag

  by Anony Mous in

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  one thing we were always taught in the past is how we should sit down and pray (kneel) to jehoober whenever we were at an event where they played the national anthem.

  we had to actively disrespect the flag and anthem and be no part of the world, because we were our own country with jesus as king.. given kneeling/sitting for the national anthem is now the favorite pastime of the far-left and if you do so, you get associated with democrats, how do jehovah's witnesses now 'become no part of this world' when they have to disrespect the flag?.

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  Jofi_Wofo

  The emotes are so glitchy on this site. Why can't I just delete one????
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  JW's and the National Anthem/Flag

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one thing we were always taught in the past is how we should sit down and pray (kneel) to jehoober whenever we were at an event where they played the national anthem.

  we had to actively disrespect the flag and anthem and be no part of the world, because we were our own country with jesus as king.. given kneeling/sitting for the national anthem is now the favorite pastime of the far-left and if you do so, you get associated with democrats, how do jehovah's witnesses now 'become no part of this world' when they have to disrespect the flag?.

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  I'm pretty sure the flag doesn't have strong feelings either way whether or not anybody shows it the proper respect

  Glad we're all on the same page that cultlike behavior is extremely harmful, and that we should all instead engage in perfunctory public rituals of symbolic loyalty to an abstract concept, expressing severe levels of scorn to socially sanction those who do not exhibit strict compliance to the mandated norm
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  Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

  by Parker in

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  i'm new to the forum.

  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

  i'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two.

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  Jofi_Wofo

  Given how much symbolism and ambiguity there is in the Bible (whether originally intended by the writers or not), there is no reason that even true believers need to be pigeonholed into accepting fundamentalist/literalist dogma.

  Alternatives:

  1) It's a parable and you have the honor of deciding what it means to you.

  2) It's an allegory symbolizing groups of people long since forgotten to history.

  3) It's literally true, but the commonly accepted chronology is wrong by orders of magnitude.

  4) It's literally true, but happened in a parallel universe. Schrodinger's serpent, if you will.

  There ya go, I just saved everybody's religion! All I ask for is 1% royalty on all your donations
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  I was wondering how this would play out in JW land.

  by wolverines in

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  i have a niece who is trying to get pregnant.

  she was telling me her husband had to go to a room with porn in it and masturbate into a cup to get tested.

  i never thought of this before but but how would a jw handle this.

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  I got a vasectomy before I got married.

  I always wanted one, but thought it was wise to wait until I was planning marriage and to discuss it with my hypothetical future wife first.

  Turns out, my wife didn't know until much later that I had to ejaculate a bunch of times, on my own, after having the procedure in order to clear out any leftover sperm. She was unhappy about my "unclean" acts, but ultimate decided that it was a necessary evil.

  In a future episode: all the creepy weird shit the Watchtower says about sterilization, and the measures you have to undertake so as to not "stumble" all the people whose business your vasectomy isn't.
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  The Celestial Chariot seems to have a Flat Tyre

  by Slidin Fast in

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  you of course remember the fabulous chariot charging about, eyes everywhere, wheels within wheels.

  (elon musk be afraid).

  yes, able to change direction instantly, react to any situation.

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  What a stunningly contradictory picture WT literature gives us of JH's chariot.

  Blazing fast!

  Awesome in power!

  Can't be stopped!

  Turns on a dime!

  Easily falls behind absolutely any JW who uses his powers of reason!

  Wait- what?? Are you running AHEAD of JH's chariot?!?!?!?!?!?! Who do you think you are?
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  We Now See Who the Anti-Christ Is

  by RubaDub in

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  no further comment needed..

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  @smiddy3

  "For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name"

  If we quote the whole verse, it says something quite different than what you are claiming it says.

  "so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground—"

  If we get rid of your parenthetical interpolation, it says something quite different than what you are claiming it says.

  "and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father"

  If we quote the very next verse, it says something quite different than what you are claiming it says.

  The amazing thing here is just how well you imitated watchtower logic (taking verses out of context, claiming a verse says something it doesn't) in attempting to prove your point.

  Rule of thumb: the more rhetorical hoops you have to jump through while attempting to prove your point, the less likely your point is to be correct.
  
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  Unique Words and Expressions Of Jehovah’s Witnesses

  by minimus in

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  system of things comes to mind.

  what does that mean to anyone not a jw?.

  how long have you been in the truth?

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  "Weaker vessel" is a biblical expression not unique to JWs, but JWs are very clear that the verse is NOT saying that the woman is weaker than a man, rather, that the man should treat her as more precious than himself. I don't see anything inherently wrong with that, so I'll give that one a pass.

  On the other hand... (definitions inspired by Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four)

  "Jehovah" = Big Brother

  "Bethel family" = The Inner Party

  "Daily text" = Two Minutes hate

  "The Faithful and Discreet Slave" = Ministry of Truth

  "Independent spirit" = Crimethink

  "Secular activities" = Ownlife

  "Judicial committee" = Thought police.

  "Disfellowship" = Unperson

  "JW Broadcasting" = Prolefeed
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  Leaked WT Elder Training Video

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  https://youtu.be/2nacvosx8n0.

  good to see the caring brothers help establish depth of guilt..

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  It's not just how tyranical, uncaring and unscriptural the whole process is. It's that every step of the process is precisely constructed to ensure the highest possible liklihood of disfellowshipping the alleged wrongdoer.

  Rules to follow:

  - Don't let an elder who cares too much about the individual be on the judicial comitee. (not shown in this clip, but earlier in the video)

  - Make sure to begin the judicial hearing by pronoucing the irrefutable pretense of guilt. (also not shown in this clip)

  - Don't discuss any positive aspects of the individual's character nor prior good acts.

  - Nitpick every single imaginable detail to ensure that the absolute maximum level of culpability can be ascribed to the individual.

  - Require the individual to not just express lament for his actions, but also demonstrate complete desolation and desperation, throwing himself at the mercy of the comittee.

  - Even after doing so, give the individual absolutlely no credit for acknowledging his error if he fails to show the "correct" form of sorrow.

  - Disfellowship him without allowing him another chance to explain himself.

  - Pretend like the individual doesn't exist for at least 6 months, or at most, for the entire rest of his life.
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  The rapture isn't what it is.

  by Jofi_Wofo in

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  i mentioned in my other thread that my mind wandered during the zoom meeting today.

  this was my second observation.

  note this exerpt on the rapture, from the july 15, 2015 wt and let's see what's wrong with it:.

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  @the fall guy

  WOW. Somehow, I missed that, to. Derp.
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  The rapture isn't what it is.

  by Jofi_Wofo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mentioned in my other thread that my mind wandered during the zoom meeting today.

  this was my second observation.

  note this exerpt on the rapture, from the july 15, 2015 wt and let's see what's wrong with it:.

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  Somehow, I forgot to mention the most important, and most obvious, point.

  "they will see the son of man..."

  I mean, it says it right there. They will SEE the son of man. That was what prompted me to make this thread, but I somehow neglected to mention it!!!