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  5 More Letters Arrived as of 2020-06-04!

  by Atlantis in

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  5 more letters arrived today.

  1--2019-11-08-proposal to merge the congregation charity into the kingdom hall trust-------------------2--2019-11-information relating to the merger with the kingdom hall trust-------------------------.

  3--2020-01-minutes of meeting of the charity trustees-1.

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  Quetzal

  thanks
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  Meet George Floyd

  by cofty in

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  his murder was a crime and justice must be done, but it's sobering to learn more about the man who is being lionised by millions.

  thanks as always to the courageous candace owens.. ....

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  Quetzal

  She made some interesting points about glorifying a criminal but she lost me when she started to throw around statistics comparing Black/White deaths.

  If your child was shot by someone, the last thing you want to hear is, "Madam, do you know that what happened to your child has 1 in a million chance of happening in your street". In the eyes of a grieving mother, the stats are irrelevant.

  Her comments about the black community defending it's own is very true but I am not sure if she is right that other communities do not act in the same way.

  The the first Gulf way, America went to war in the middle east and some allies tagged along (The British) even when they knew the reason for the war was bogus. American's often say "you should support the troops" even if you don't believe in the war.

  Candace's claim that other communities do not support their own even when it is a bad decision is not factual. Everyone does it, it is almost human nature.

  That is why you get into a fight at school if someone calls your mother a "fat ugly whore". You already know that your mother is really a "fat ugly whore" but you still want to defend her. You didn't choose your mother and you would have preferred to have a "top model god fearing christian mother" but that is not the case.

  Candace started off well but lost her way towards the end. She comes across as knowledgeable but she misses the point.
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  Organized Rioting Across America Due To A Black Man’s Death

  by minimus in

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  cities across america have been pillaged and destroyed these last few days.

  a white policeman has been charged with murder of a black man.

  protests have been organized across major us cities and horrible riots have occurred.

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  Quetzal

  It goes much further than abolishing unions. How do you change culture?
  

  Is it really culture or capitalism. If you take one of the latin American countries, the largest producer of the white powder, you can hardly say it is their culture that they produce and distribute their merchandise to America. It is all about capitalism and excess greed.

  If you were to list most of the common problems in the world today, like human trafficking, wars, immigration, legal or illegal, prostitution, religion, charities etc, you will notice one common denominator. Capitalism -> Influence -> Power

  Some suggested that if the United States were to legalize all drugs, the price of drugs like cocaine will fall and the incentive to produce and export will all but disappear. This will solve the war on drugs and related violence but what impact will that have on the banking system and the economy as a whole?
  

  You cannot really solve it without creating another opening for someone else to take over.

  This reminds me of the JW organization that forbade people from fornicating. Your average JW found a loophole around that biblical command by going through the back door or practicing hand/mouth Job. When the org discovered this, it updated its policy to Porneia. That meant no more back door practice or grabbing someone by the p***y. Guess what your average JW started to do? "don't kiss and tell" and let the holy ghost snitch on you. (This is a really bad analogy but you get my point )

  My point is, when you try to fix something like racism, sexism or anything other societal issues, there is someone somewhere trying to undo your work

  There have been a lot of sincere people trying to fix these issues since the 17th century in America. There have been a lot of progress and there have also been a lot of resistance.

  It is a mistake to think that there is a simple solution to such a complex problem.
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  5 More Letters Arrived as of 2020-06-04!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  5 more letters arrived today.

  1--2019-11-08-proposal to merge the congregation charity into the kingdom hall trust-------------------2--2019-11-information relating to the merger with the kingdom hall trust-------------------------.

  3--2020-01-minutes of meeting of the charity trustees-1.

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  Quetzal

  please send the link.

  Thanks again
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  5 More Letters Arrived as of 2020-06-04!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  5 more letters arrived today.

  1--2019-11-08-proposal to merge the congregation charity into the kingdom hall trust-------------------2--2019-11-information relating to the merger with the kingdom hall trust-------------------------.

  3--2020-01-minutes of meeting of the charity trustees-1.

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  Quetzal

  Hi

  yes, please send the link.

  Thanks again
  
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  Organized Rioting Across America Due To A Black Man’s Death

  by minimus in

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  cities across america have been pillaged and destroyed these last few days.

  a white policeman has been charged with murder of a black man.

  protests have been organized across major us cities and horrible riots have occurred.

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  Quetzal

  The question is why are we kept here. Why does nothing progress?
  

  Poverty and ignorance are profitable.

  The same question was asked about the war on drug and "why does nothing progress?"

  The answer, the American economy is heavily reliant on the many branches of the narco business.

  I'll start with one: abolish public sector unions that protect police and teachers from the abuse their members inflict on the public they are meant to serve. Oh, suddenly it goes quiet and the appetite for change will vanish and we'll be back hearing about "systemic racism". Intentional vagueness to avoid real change.
  

  Hint for anyone who doesn't get it yet: if you are a politician who's political office and not inconsiderable wealth is built on a combination of angry-black votes and union contributions, you don't want that shit fixed!
  

  You are correct that there is no real desire for change from the top. Not everyone at the bottom of the pile wants change. That said, we cannot use that to dismiss the arguments of those who want real change because they have been victim of a broken system. The danger lies in painting everyone with a broad brush.
  
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  How Can So Many Protesters (George Floyd) Be From "Somewhere Else?"

  by RubaDub in

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  i hear every mayor, every politician, claiming that the protesters are coming in from "other states".

  at some point, with about 130 cities that had protests over the last weekend, where the hell are people coming from???.

  there are only 50 states (57 per obama, but that includes us territories and kenya).

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  If you want to protest, and I can understand, but why not stay close to home? Save the fuel, travel expenses, whatever. Find a near-by city. Get a local hotel. Do whatever.
  

  Some are paid to be there. Others want to be closer to where there is more media coverage. For example, during the "Yellow Vests" protest in Paris, there were people protesting in other parts of the country but with little media coverage. Consequently, more people travel to Paris to create bigger impact.

  It is often not abuse the cause but more of a bragging right.
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  Why did they have to HANG MARY?

  by Terry in

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  they hanged mary!

  (the townsfolk did)i'll tell you about it - but .... the facts will turn readers against her.

  i mean, after all, she did kill a man.sympathy instantly dries up; making her agonizing death--as awful as it was--much less empathetic.

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  Quetzal

  they needed to blame someone or they needed to make something the scape-elephant
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  Organized Rioting Across America Due To A Black Man’s Death

  by minimus in

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  cities across america have been pillaged and destroyed these last few days.

  a white policeman has been charged with murder of a black man.

  protests have been organized across major us cities and horrible riots have occurred.

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  Quetzal

  What if black parents taught their kids that white drivers were out to get them and it didn't matter if they stayed on the sidewalk or not, so they run across the street and start leaping in front of cars. Who contributes more to resulting deaths, the parents or the drivers?

  Too many black people are doing a terrible job of raising their kids

  Single mothers make lousy parents.
  

  The black community fall for it every time, but strangely they only ever seem to care when it is some thug who's been held to account.
  

  @Simon some of these statements are correct but that can be said of all communities no matter the race or nationality. However the same statements do not make sense as they are taken out of context to fit a narrative.

  This website is a perfect example of how a lot of ex JWs still linger here and try to find solace and comfort from past experience in the organization. It is amazing that some have left the organization over 30 years ago and they are still triggered by some issues after so many years. Anyone who hasn't been part of the Org will just say, "it's been a long time, get over yourself" or "you can't live in the past".

  There are a lot of JWs who are leading a destructive life style due to experience they had in the organization. You cannot critique their current way of life without taking into account the impact of their past. In the same vain their are ex JWs leading a great life despite their experience. Does that negate, the impact on the later?

  With the above said, the issues in the news are not about the black community per se. All communities in America have their own stories or their account of injustices. The black community is probably more vocal about it than other communities but that doesn't negate the fact that a lot more communities have the same issues.

  The same is true on this website where some are more vocal than others about their disdain for the JW organization. What brings everyone together to this website is that they have been impacted in one way or another. It is not about comparing who has suffered more.

  You cannot make a broad statement about current world issues without taking into account how we got here. Understanding the context does help to appreciate the hows and whys.
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  I am starting to think there is more to these riots than just some meets the eye.

  by phoenixrising in

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  the fake news wants us to believe that one cop who murdered one person sparked all this.

  i am seeing this crap in london and around the world.

  this does not make any sense.

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  Quetzal

  Quetzal, That is way to simple of a statement. Gain is a relative term. Money is not the only thing that is to gain and I doubt its about money. People who only think about money are poor people. Rich people and revolutionary think about power, the money comes naturally after power is achieved.
  

  @phoenixrising, that is exactly my point and that is why I said ,

  you need to pay attention to whoever stands to gain no matter how the wind blows.