Posts by Quetzal

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Economic Recovery after COVID-19

by Simon in

it feels like we've really turned a corner, this morning especially.. the covid lockdowns are ending and medical systems were not overwhelmed plus there are existing treatments that have been proven to be effective (like hydroxychloroquine) and new vaccines and medicines in the pipeline.

a week or so ago the dems were dead against opening things up but since they are encouraging protests (which often turn violent) they can't continue that stance - thus proving trumps claim that it will soon be gone.

the majority of the deaths were politician-assisted (which i hope people are prosecuted for) so it's not the big risk we were led to believe and (over) reacted to.. the bls reported this morning that the us economy just added a huge number of jobs (most on record) and will undoubtedly benefit even more from a drive to source local production and supply chains going forwards.

Quetzal

This was going to be a great thread about recovery after Corvid19 and then it turned into a disguise for

Antifa and BLM have shown the world who they are and lost credibility. The dems are allowing the leftists in their ranks to walk the whole thing off a cliff and it's glorious. Expect the DNC to be a complete shit-show as everyone turns on each other. You just know Biden is going to get up, become confused and call Obama the N word from the podium.

When the BLM brought race into police brutality discussion you accused them of making everything about race. Now there is a discussion about economic recovery and you brought Antifa and BLM into the conversation.

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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i agree with people who say all lives matter.

i think blm is a racist group.

if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

Quetzal

@minimus

Let’s just get rid of the police. That’s what these groups are pushing as an agenda!

Where did you get that?

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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i agree with people who say all lives matter.

i think blm is a racist group.

if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

Quetzal

@simon

Again, this doesn't just happen to black people, why does BLM claim it does?. There are worse examples. Making it a "black" issue is misleading and unsupported by evidence.

Here is the problem with the above statement. You need to look at the situation from their point of view and not just about "unsupported by evidence" Here is a quote from Wikipedia

Women's fear of crime refers to women's fear of being a victim of crime, independent of actual victimization. Although fear of crime is a concern for people of all genders, studies consistently find that women around the world tend to have much higher levels of fear of crime than men, despite the fact that in many places, and for most offenses, men's actual victimization rates are higher.[1][2] Fear of crime is related to perceived risk of victimization, but is not the same; fear of crime may be generalized instead of referring to specific offenses, and perceived risk may also be considered a demographic factor that contributes to fear of crime. Women tend to have higher levels for both perceived risk and fear of crime

If your wife tells you that she is afraid to go out alone and gives you the talk about women being attacked and victimized. I hope you will not throw stats back at her by saying

men's actual victimization rates are higher.

Perception and fear of the police in most minorities community is real. That also contributes to some of the irrational behaviors.

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UK: Time to punish the Covid 19 PROFITEERS!

by BoogerMan in

laws have been very quickly created in order to oppress & suppress uk citizens' basic freedoms and rights, while profiteering - thanks to the mantra of "supply & demand" - is allowed to flourish with nothing being done by the government to penalise companies who are more than likely reducing production of ppe in order to inflate their prices.

(oil companies have done likewise for years) .

"apart from actually finding the equipment, there are other problems.

Quetzal

Are they sending bethelites home because of the lack of work to do? Even in this situation? What if they have no home to go back to?

There will likely be a big head count cut once they know they can safely send people packing. Without the public preaching, printing magazines is now a pointless exercise. Corvid19 has highlighted a lot of issues with the business model of a lot of organizations. For the JW, this will likely accelerate things and major changes might be in the works.

They seem to be preparing for major reduction/sell off of KH in the UK based on the current charity merger initiative.

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Meet George Floyd

by cofty in

his murder was a crime and justice must be done, but it's sobering to learn more about the man who is being lionised by millions.

thanks as always to the courageous candace owens.. ....

Quetzal

Technically, the glass is always completely full ... just not of liquid. But I don't know what you mean by this, the point is to make things better.

What I meant by the "glass being hall full and half empty" is, people are looking at the same situation from a different angle.

Initially you said this

"All you see of black people when BLM are involved are criminal thugs, looters "

and then in your response you said

"Then you have a complaint with the media, because what I see it's predominantly black people."

There is a little difference there "predominantly"

What is the solution to the current crisis? How can you make things better?

Should there be an independent open investigation after every death involving the police and should the idea of "Qualified Immunity" be removed from the police?

Will that ease the perception of police brutality?

More people should be rational and less emotional, especially black people - it would benefit them far more than protesting, rioting and looting.

What benefit do you believe they will gain by not protesting?

(I am not talking about the rioting and looting as that is obvious)

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UK: Time to punish the Covid 19 PROFITEERS!

by BoogerMan in

laws have been very quickly created in order to oppress & suppress uk citizens' basic freedoms and rights, while profiteering - thanks to the mantra of "supply & demand" - is allowed to flourish with nothing being done by the government to penalise companies who are more than likely reducing production of ppe in order to inflate their prices.

(oil companies have done likewise for years) .

"apart from actually finding the equipment, there are other problems.

Quetzal

Without a profit motive, you wouldn't have a lot of things - it ensures supply. This principle applies to things like bottled water in a hurricane scenario - someone has to keep stock and without any profit motive, why would they?

This is correct. I believe the Canadians did the same when there was over production of their Maple Syrup that almost ruined the whole industry. They had to control the production and price to make sure the business model is sustainable. That pissed off some people though

Even the JW had to cut cost, magazine reduction and massive lay offs in order to stay in business.

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I am starting to think there is more to these riots than just some meets the eye.

by phoenixrising in

the fake news wants us to believe that one cop who murdered one person sparked all this.

i am seeing this crap in london and around the world.

this does not make any sense.

Quetzal

Did Obama give his speech about racism and inequality in America from his $15m mansion in Martha's Vineyard?

What is your point?

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

Quetzal

He's a grifter, wants other people to pay him a salary for his 'activism', so he has to put out regular content to justify it whether there's really anything to say or not.

I see adds on this website. A brother has got to eat I suppose. Activism cost money.

The moment Lloyd Evans monetized his activism was the moment he lost credibility.

If some people benefit from his channel I don't see anything wrong with him making some change from it.

I hate his nasty accent.

Jealousy, at least he is doing something no matter his motivation !

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Meet George Floyd

by cofty in

his murder was a crime and justice must be done, but it's sobering to learn more about the man who is being lionised by millions.

thanks as always to the courageous candace owens.. ....

Quetzal

The leaders of these people only care about cases they can use for political ends, that means a black corpse and white cop, regardless of situation and circumstances.

@Simon - That is very true. If you take a closer look at all communities, you will find similarities of people taking advantage of a situation to further their own agenda.

All you see of black people when BLM are involved are criminal thugs, looters and gangs of blacks beating individual white people (sometimes to death).

That is a bit of an exaggeration. In the current situation, I see people of all races losing their minds and looting under the banner of BLM.

The claims that black people are disproportionately impacted when the system isn't perfect? Totally unsupported by statistics.

This statement is correct but it totally misses the point. It is not about statistics but about perception. The video footage of how the guy was killed made for uncomfortable viewing and it changes people's perception of reality. You are making a rational statement to an emotional situation.

Remember the expression " De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est translates to "Of the dead nothing but good is to be said" or don't speak ill of the dead.

There is the social taboo of speaking ill of the dead especially when it is so soon. Most people are aware of George Floyd not being a saint.

Apparently mother Theresa was no saint but when she died, that wasn't the time to throw statistics on believers. The time for that came later.

@Blues Broters put it nicely

Only a naive person would believe wholeheartedly all the eulogies about him, but it is wrong to blacken his name with insults. What would it matter anyway? If he was the worst person on earth, does that justify police brutality and homicide?

You have been making your point about the "glass is half full" and others are saying the "glass is half empty"

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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i agree with people who say all lives matter.

i think blm is a racist group.

if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

Quetzal

If the BLM protest brings about better policing in the US, I guess everyone stands to gain and not just members of the BLM.

Similar to how the JW fought for their right to worship in the 20th century and it actually benefited other religious groups