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  Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

  by minimus in

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  i agree with people who say all lives matter.

  i think blm is a racist group.

  if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

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  @anony mous

  That doesn't mean everyone who votes Republican will suddenly have their kids become rich, but it's statistically a better chance that within 1 or 2 generations you are lifted out of poverty.
  

  Good point. That is also why claiming that voting for the Dems is doing a disservices to minority communities doesn't hold true. My take on the left vs right issue is this. They are 2 different faces of the same coin. Politicians are there to help themselves first and maybe the people after.

  This has nothing to do with your race by the way, sure, any minority group will have it more difficult because they are a minority group and thus need to do more to conform, but likewise, minority groups that are lawful (eg. immigrants and racial groups alike) will almost certainly have their kids do better vs minority groups that are illegally residing here and kids with parents that are criminals.
  

  Well, you can tell the above to the Jews during the Nazi Germany occupation. Being a minority and the difficulties associated with that is more complex than just being "minority groups that are lawful " . You can also go and tell that to the Native Americans and here is something about being "minority groups that are lawful"

  From 1778 to 1871, the United States government entered into more than 500 treaties with the Native American tribes; all of these treaties have since been violated in some way or outright broken by the US government, while at least one treaty was violated or broken by Native American tribes.
  
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  Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i agree with people who say all lives matter.

  i think blm is a racist group.

  if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

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  @simon

  I mean, how unbelievably fucking stupid beyond belief do people have to be to vote for the party behind the KKK for the past 50 years thinking it's going to make their life better even though it never does?
  

  The same reason poor white people keep voting for anyone who tells them what they want to hear and every time they keep getting f**ked over. They hear what they want to hear and they still remain poor. It's not that difficult to understand. You also make it sound as if the black community will be better off under Republican party. Go tell that to all the poor white people who have voted Republican and are still poor.

  "Having aligned themselves with the Republican Party since the days of Abraham Lincoln, what made African Americans switch to the Democrats during the Depression Era?
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  Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  i agree with people who say all lives matter.

  i think blm is a racist group.

  if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

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  @simon

  That is not what those figures say and it's not what I said. If 13% of the population commit over 50% of a crime, it means they are severely over-represented and something is seriously wrong. It means there is a higher probability that a member of that population is likely someone who may commit that crime
  

  This is a valid point you made above. However, why didn't you acknowledge some of the statistics from @

  Hisclarkness as valid. You dismissed everything he posted. Were all the stats BS?
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  Would You Like To See Your Police Departments “Defunded”?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  do you think it’s a good idea?.

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  @phoenixrisingo

  Diversity is not something that is good. It does not make a country stronger. In fact its the opposite. Look at Japan, China Russia and Poland. They work hard to keep their country homogenized. And its working for them.
  

  You obviously do not understand the subject matter. Most European countries as we know them today are formed by multiple tribes coming together( war and carnage). Scots, Welsh, English, Cornish,etc The same goes for France and Germany.

  You mentioned Japan, China and Russia and Poland.

  Do you know why there is a China town in most major western cities? If their system was that great, why didn't everyone stay in China? A lot of wealthy Chinese are investing their money in the US and Canada, why?

  Poland, do you know how many polish people work in France, UK and they Netherlands? If Poland was that wonderful, they should all have stayed home.

  Japan : Japanese Brazilians are the largest ethnic Japanese community outside Japan (numbering about 1.5 million, compared to about 1.2 million in the United States). They should all have stayed in Japan if the country is that great.

  Russia : You know that there are over 40 ethnic groups in Russia and the largest are the Russians. That is why there are always conflicts with other ethnic groups like the Chechens. Homogenized and it's working for them?
  

  if you actually believe that "Diversity is not something that is good" then, all White People should leave America and go back to where ever their ancestors came from. You will only have Native Americans and Mexicans left.

  Diversity has its issues but looking at the situation from a narrow point of view doesn't help your narrative.
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  Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i agree with people who say all lives matter.

  i think blm is a racist group.

  if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

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  @simon

  Let me try and make it simpler for you to grasp. If the UK government announced "free whiskey for all" it could notionally adversely affect the Scottish more than other nationalities, but there would be nothing "systemically racist" about the policy.
  

  Very good point. Not unless the intention of the UK government was to adversely affect the Scotts, then, that will be a different conversation

  Not really. The welfare state isn't "institutionally racist" per se, as it (AFAIK) doesn't have any racial component. But it seems to have had a severe negative effect on the black community more so than others. I am sure the recipients of the benefits don't see them as racist and would see it as racist to remove them. But neither would be true.
  

  Very true. It is also true that you are likely to vote for who ever is giving your free $$$. It appears to affect the black community more probably because they are more vocal about it and it makes for good television. I believe it should have the same effects on other communities if the following numbers are correct

  White people without a college degree ages 18 to 64 are the largest class of adults lifted out of poverty by such programs, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. The think tank's 2017 report stated that 6.2 million working-age whites were lifted above the poverty line in 2014 compared to 2.8 million blacks and 2.4 million Hispanics.
  

  The above implies that a lot more communities will be negatively impacted by the welfare state and maybe the black community is the only one that gets the most coverage.

  There are racist laws, but they are sold as being advantagious to blacks. Again, they are from the left so the effect is often the exact opposite of what they claim was the intent.
  

  If you claim there are racist laws, does that imply "systemic racism"
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  Witnessing Work to Stop?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  my 87 year old dad called me for the first time in 16 years the other day .... just to chat.

  i was floored to say the least since he didn't even bother to call me when my mom died several years ago.

  he called again today to inquire how i felt about jehovah's witnesses.

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  The preach work is only having a hiatus. It will come back but likely not as we know it
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  Tips for Traversing Tumultuous Times (MicroAgressions)

  by JW_Researcher in

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  many of us are confused so this hand-dandy chart may assist.. .

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  @Under the Radar

  You are likely looking at this from a narrow angle of
  

  Being on welfare should not be a lifestyle choice one can make simply because one does not want to work
  

  If you want to eliminate the welfare state and make people earn what they have.

  You will need to remove

  • no food stamps,
  • no money for those who lost their jobs due to lock down Corvid19.
  • no money for big companies during the Corvid19
  • no legal loophole for big companies that avoid paying taxes
  • no more bailout money for Banks. Only survival of the fittest.
  • no more charitable organizations(oxfam, Red Cross, etc) that do not pay taxes
  • all disabled adults and children will have to be helped by family or they are on their own.
  • If you are injured during War or in some type of accident and you can no longer work, you are F**ked
  • all religion must pay taxes no more "free ride"
  • no more charitable deduction for taxes purposes.

  You already know that welfare state was in response to a major financial crisis

  The United States was the only industrialized country that went into the Great Depression of the 1930s with no social insurance policies in place. In 1935 Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal instituted significant social insurance policies. In 1938 Congress passed the Fair Labor Standards Act, limiting the work week to 40 hours and banning child labor for children under 16, over stiff congressional opposition from the low-wage South
  

  The fact that the welfare state is being abused doesn't actually mean that it is inherently bad.

  Western society has become one big kindergarten where everybody whines at the slightest offense, wants to sue if someone calls them a name, and thinks the world owes them a living.
  

  Why do you want to go back to an age when you are freely able to "calls them a name"?
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  Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i agree with people who say all lives matter.

  i think blm is a racist group.

  if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..

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  @simon interesting video

  Here is a quote from the video at minute 2:07

  The simple truth about "institutionalized racism" is that it does not exist, not anymore
  

  At least he admitted that once open a time there was something called "institutionalized racism". So it is not all some made up fantasy.

  @3:00 minutes

  In areas where whites commits a lot of crime, polices shootings of whites are higher and in In areas where blacks commits a lot of crime, polices shootings of blacks are higher.
  

  Good point and that makes sense.

  @4:15

  The reason that a higher percent of black men are killed by the police is because black men kill the most people.
  

  not enough context was provide but still an interesting statement

  @5:18

  The welfare state is destroying the black family and creating a lot of fatherless boys and these things that the democrats are doing through policies are causing a lot of poor black men to turn to violence and drugs and that is why black men disproportionately find themselves in altercation with the police.
  

  This is where he lost his mind and lost the argument he was trying to make when debunking the idea of . "institutionalized racism" or "systemic racism".

  By citing the welfare state, he just validated the idea of a "systemic"/"institutionalized" problem that tries to disenfranchise the black community. His whole argument that the state is not out to get the black community just fell apart. It doesn't matter if this is initiated by the Dems or the Republican.

  He came across as someone who understand the issue at hand but towards the end of his video he lost his way. Just for your information there is a reason why there is a welfare state

  The United States was the only industrialized country that went into the Great Depression of the 1930s with no social insurance policies in place. In 1935 Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal instituted significant social insurance policies. In 1938 Congress passed the Fair Labor Standards Act, limiting the work week to 40 hours and banning child labor for children under 16, over stiff congressional opposition from the low-wage South
  

  Something else the video missed is that the welfare state benefits a lot of people and not just blacks alone. Remember when the banks caused an economic crash "sub-prime" circa 2008/2009 and the Dems gave welfare money to help the rich people who broke the economy. They call that welfare check, "bail out" .

  A lot of people also got welfare cash during the Corvid.

  This is a good analysis of the situation and why "institutionalized racism" or "systemic racism" is such baloney,
  

  Unfortunately the video just proved the contrary
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  Meet George Floyd

  by cofty in

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  his murder was a crime and justice must be done, but it's sobering to learn more about the man who is being lionised by millions.

  thanks as always to the courageous candace owens.. ....

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  @redvip2000

  If the narrative is that the police is actively only targeting blacks, then how would you validate that if not by numbers?
  

  "police ACTIVELY ONLY targeting blacks" is not the narrative. The stats should not be used as a dick measuring contest.

  Another example, If you were to lose 100k dollars right now and someone throws some stats at you like,

  "@redvip2000, stop bitching about losing 100 thousand dollars, Bill Gates lost 1 Million dollars and he is not crying about it."

  Will it make you feel better knowing that there is someone out there like Bill Gates who has lost more money than you?
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  Meet George Floyd

  by cofty in

  1. social
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  his murder was a crime and justice must be done, but it's sobering to learn more about the man who is being lionised by millions.

  thanks as always to the courageous candace owens.. ....

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  @simon

  When they are working as a public servant they represent the municipality or federal government and it would be unfair to hold and individual to account for simply doing what they have been commanded to do
  

  Good point, you highlight a problem with the system if police brutality is linked to "doing what they have been commanded to do"

  Your question : What exactly and specifically is broken?

  As far as I can tell, it seems like it happens in the US but maybe it doesn't have an automatic trigger to make it happen (?)
  

  You have part of the solution, make it automatic/open and by and independent body.

  To fix something that is broken you first have to identify what is broken and all we keep hearing is "we need to fix things".
  

  I thought what is broken has already been identified from the get go, Police brutality.

  @simon You also identified another thing that is broken

  Ultimately, they have a big union with deep pockets and what those union members pay for is legal representation to defend them, so they are defended well (I imagine)
  

  Big Union with deep pockets should be allowed to provide legal defense to their members but open investigation should be done by an independent body.

  What else is broken?

  Body camera on police should be on at all times when interacting with the public and if case if death, it should be turned over to an independent body for full open investigation.

  It is not that difficult to identify what is broken?

  A 75 year old man was brutalized in Buffalo. That is another example of what is broken.