They are so out of touch with reality, they can spew this line and not think twice. I know one family that denies forcing their two children (now out, and shunned) to be JWs and get baptized. They refuse to admit that they DID force their children to be JWs. Now they are old and they don’t speak to their children or even know their grandkids. And yet they still can’t figure it out. No hope for some people.
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Email from JW relative/elder
by Lynnie inas much as i enjoy you and pete's company, you also know our understanding of how much we want you to be reunited with jehovah and his people.. .
we did not set the standards for what jehovah says about our associations with those who choose to not serve him.
so we will always be there for you and pete, but it is in your hands as to how we can enjoy your friendship.. .
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Washington Post - Front Page Expose on Mormon Church Billions Tax Fraud
by POs Son inthe wapo has a front page expose on the mormon church avoiding taxes on billions of dollars under the cloak of religion.
link here: (need to disable popups).
washington post online.
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"The church typically collects about $7 billion each year in contributions from members, according to the complaint. Mormons, like members of some other faith groups, are asked to contribute 10 percent of their income to the church, a practice known as tithing."
and then:
"He suggests church leaders favor continuing to collect tithes to avoid “losing control over their members’ behavior” by releasing them from their financial obligations. In June, the church raised the monthly charge paid by most families to cover the cost of their children serving as missionaries from $400 to $500 per month.
Leaders have consistently tried to downplay speculation about the extent of the church’s wealth. Quoting a former church president during the speech last year, Caussé, said: “When all is said and done, the only real wealth of the church is in the faith of its people.' "
Ah, the Mormons. You gotta love how much money they've made, considering they are a relatively new religion. Their followers seem to be really devoted. Ten percent of your income is a huge obligation.
Concerning the bOrg, Sir82, I think, lately, they DO claim to be doing "charity", aka helping people rebuild from natural disasters, etc. This is just what I'm hearing from my PIMI friend about how it's presented at the midweek meeting. I was surprised at how adamant she was that the money was going to "help people". Hmmmmm. Lots of poor JWs in my area, and no one getting any help.
I would also not be surprised if the GB starts asserting they are doing lots of charity within their "worldwide work" after they see what can happen if a whistleblower really takes the initiative to expose them. This isn't the 1980s or 1990s. Maybe they will think of a word for "charity" that is more consistent with bOrg lingo and start using it.
It's incredible that people can't seem to see through this kind of thing. Religion is a snare and a racket!
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Scowled At By A JW
by pale.emperor inyesterday i got home from work and decided to buy a case of beer because, why not?
it’s monday.
the shop is conveniently round the corner from my place.
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@Finkelstein, I agree but I think it’s too late..... And, would they understand your empathy?
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When was it time for you to walk away from your congregation meetings and the WTBTS?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe basic virtue for a human being is to be true to yourself – the integrity of thought, emotion, and action.. .
ten years ago ( after 32 years as a jehovah's witness), i finally decided that my own mental sanity and being true to myself was more important than attending congregation meetings and serving the watchtower society.
i stopped (years before) field service, the ministry school, answering at the watchtower studies, missed numerous meetings and walked in minutes before the meetings started and left after the closing prayer, i knew it was time to leave.
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@LongHairGal, yes, my son is in his 30s with family and kids. The bOrg isn’t going to break up this family!
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When was it time for you to walk away from your congregation meetings and the WTBTS?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe basic virtue for a human being is to be true to yourself – the integrity of thought, emotion, and action.. .
ten years ago ( after 32 years as a jehovah's witness), i finally decided that my own mental sanity and being true to myself was more important than attending congregation meetings and serving the watchtower society.
i stopped (years before) field service, the ministry school, answering at the watchtower studies, missed numerous meetings and walked in minutes before the meetings started and left after the closing prayer, i knew it was time to leave.
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@SouthCentral, give it some time. You might find that, eventually, you don’t care and you realize you have quit checking on all things bOrg. It’s a process.
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Scowled At By A JW
by pale.emperor inyesterday i got home from work and decided to buy a case of beer because, why not?
it’s monday.
the shop is conveniently round the corner from my place.
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I had the exact same thought as JP1692.
Living well IS the best revenge!
If she has time to hang around a store scowling at people, well, that says a lot about her life.
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When was it time for you to walk away from your congregation meetings and the WTBTS?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe basic virtue for a human being is to be true to yourself – the integrity of thought, emotion, and action.. .
ten years ago ( after 32 years as a jehovah's witness), i finally decided that my own mental sanity and being true to myself was more important than attending congregation meetings and serving the watchtower society.
i stopped (years before) field service, the ministry school, answering at the watchtower studies, missed numerous meetings and walked in minutes before the meetings started and left after the closing prayer, i knew it was time to leave.
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Oh, so many things. And just being tired of going through the motions. For instance, giving talks as a sister. What is the point? The last talk I gave the brother counseled me not to rearrange the order of the scriptures, etc. At that point I realized the whole thing was just a waste of time, and I never gave a talk again. Moving congregations facilitated that, as no one really tried to compel me to join the school in the new congregation.
But the absolute last straw was when one elder we barely knew (in the new congregation) tried to get us to cut off ties to our son (19 years old) because he wasn't baptised or interested in "the truth".
I never went to a meeting after that. If this elder, who hardly knows us, thinks he can make me break off with my son, no way! Disgusting.
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Looking back at the people I knew in the Jobos.....
by punkofnice in...there are very few if any, that i would have willingly associated with.. my 'worldly(tm)' friends are all brilliant people.
they are nothing like the weirdos i had to put up with in the congregations.. what is your take on the people in the jobos as opposed to your associates now?.
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@Punk, I agree. The forced friendships and subsequent emotional manipulation was extreme.
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Looking back at the people I knew in the Jobos.....
by punkofnice in...there are very few if any, that i would have willingly associated with.. my 'worldly(tm)' friends are all brilliant people.
they are nothing like the weirdos i had to put up with in the congregations.. what is your take on the people in the jobos as opposed to your associates now?.
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Back in the day when the Spirals were young, we had some good friends. We all were hard workers and had decent jobs. Most are divorced or gone, we've lost track of most of them.
Now, almost four decades on (and having been faded for 12), I don't see anyone around with whom I'd like to be friends. Everyone here has family drama, prescription drug use issues, mental issues, and there are several that are hoarders (as in, can't even go over to their houses, it's so bad). Add to that the fact that the average age in the congregation is over 60, and no one seems to have saved for retirement, makes this once proud and high-functioning congregation just sad. There is no group of stable, prosperous, working (aka almost normal) people here anymore to provide a "backbone" to the group.
Three of the great spiritual elderette sisters tried to "encourage" me when they realized I moved back, but soon gave up. (Such a rotten attitude I've developed!) They are all so weird you can't imagine why you were ever friends. Wait - It's because you were trapped in a religion that made you feel obligated to be friends with whoever was in the congregation, even if you didn't even like them.
My one last PIMI friend here asked me a while back if I wanted to "do more" with this group, she was hinting around because maybe that would get me to go back to meetings.
My reply was nope, not interested.
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Lack of zeal
by road to nowhere ini hear rumbling about the rank and file not having the same zeal they had when new.. lets see: door to door at the time least likely to find someone.
waste of a whole morning.
isolated.
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And poverty (and lack of retirement funds) certainly doesn't create a zealous feeling.