Are you saying that you do not have the power to pass a local ordinance requiring Full Disclosure by organizations that meet the qualifying reasons for Full Disclosure? I do not. Nor do I have the resources to pursue the issue to the Supreme Court. Why are we doing this?
Siddhashunyata
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Press Release
by JohnJBB123 indecember 4, 2001. for immediate release:.
a national human rights organization is taking jehovah's witnesses to task for claiming to support human rights while denying them to members.. approaches to education, inc., a arizona based human rights group, went public this week about its concerns that the jehovah's witness religion claims to support the un declaration of human rights while at the same time that it denies those rights to its members.
while jehovah's witnesses claim to be crusaders for freedom of religion and human rights, and in favor of religious tolerance, this is not what they practice within the group, states john b. brown, the executive director of approaches to education, inc, individual members of the jehovahs witnesses are not allowed to question their religious beliefs, because this questioning may elicit a punitive response by the religions leaders.
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Press Release
by JohnJBB123 indecember 4, 2001. for immediate release:.
a national human rights organization is taking jehovah's witnesses to task for claiming to support human rights while denying them to members.. approaches to education, inc., a arizona based human rights group, went public this week about its concerns that the jehovah's witness religion claims to support the un declaration of human rights while at the same time that it denies those rights to its members.
while jehovah's witnesses claim to be crusaders for freedom of religion and human rights, and in favor of religious tolerance, this is not what they practice within the group, states john b. brown, the executive director of approaches to education, inc, individual members of the jehovahs witnesses are not allowed to question their religious beliefs, because this questioning may elicit a punitive response by the religions leaders.
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Siddhashunyata
It can be accomplished with: (1) A local ordinance and, ultimately.....(2) Arguments before the Supreme Court that show : In these times of psycho-techno techniques, it is UNREASONABLE to place full responsibility on potential converts to forsee the effects of a SERIES of doctrinal and procedural AGREEMENTS and to anticipate the punitive effects of changes of conscience and belief.....(3) Request a remedy that enables the court to act within the parameters of "Freedom of Religion" and " Separation of Church and State ". That remedy is " Full Disclosure"............ Regarding the local ordinance: Cases with adverse judgment, Cases where rights were violated and noted but responsibility was placed on the plaintiff and, Cases pending , these are the qualifying reasons for "Full Disclosure". All cases dealing with violation of human and civil rights................Regarding the Supreme Court: Arguments to the court must center around the unreasonableness of requiring the potential convert to inform himself. Considering that many people do not know their Civil and Human Rights nor are they capable of forseeing changes of conscience or estimating the procedures and application of religious rules and tenets to their future actions or belief, nor are they capable of defending against sophisticated psychological techniques, it seems reasonable to conclude that they need help. Full Disclosure offers a reasonable compromise because nothing changes. There is simply disclosure where potential conflicts and Loss of Rights occur. ................. Regarding Full Disclosure: This cannot be argued under the Law of Contracts because the implications are too far reaching respecting "Freedom of Religion" and " Seperation of Church and State ". The Law of Contracts puts control squarely in the hands of the State and neither the state nor the people want that as evinced by the cases lost to the W. T. where human rights are actually violated. At present, the onus is on the potential convert to protect himself, sort of a "caveat emptor" atmosphere. The court must see that this is not reasonable and that a "religion " must operate in an atmosphere of "responsibility" for the entire gamut of what it is "offering".....................Full Disclosure promises to make religion a better servant of man without direct involvement of the state. Think of the effect of Full Disclosure on existing members, potential members and, on the style and character of the religious organization itself. Changes that would take 50 to 100 years would take place practically overnight.
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Press Release
by JohnJBB123 indecember 4, 2001. for immediate release:.
a national human rights organization is taking jehovah's witnesses to task for claiming to support human rights while denying them to members.. approaches to education, inc., a arizona based human rights group, went public this week about its concerns that the jehovah's witness religion claims to support the un declaration of human rights while at the same time that it denies those rights to its members.
while jehovah's witnesses claim to be crusaders for freedom of religion and human rights, and in favor of religious tolerance, this is not what they practice within the group, states john b. brown, the executive director of approaches to education, inc, individual members of the jehovahs witnesses are not allowed to question their religious beliefs, because this questioning may elicit a punitive response by the religions leaders.
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Siddhashunyata
In all fairness, people are being hurt by the double standard that is protected under the Constitutional banner " Freedom of Religion". While the intent of this law is to protect the "believer" and to level the playing field for all religions, there is another effect and that is to empower a religion to exercise authority over its membership that violates their civil and human rights. This dilemma has become accute since the advent of psychology and proselytizing techniques have been conformed to what is known about the human mind. Therefore , full disclosure would confront the dilemma in that it would sensitize the potential convert from THE BEGINNING. Additionaly, potential legislation would "encourage" religious organizations to "clean up their acts" while they fiercely lobby against such a bill.
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Press Release
by JohnJBB123 indecember 4, 2001. for immediate release:.
a national human rights organization is taking jehovah's witnesses to task for claiming to support human rights while denying them to members.. approaches to education, inc., a arizona based human rights group, went public this week about its concerns that the jehovah's witness religion claims to support the un declaration of human rights while at the same time that it denies those rights to its members.
while jehovah's witnesses claim to be crusaders for freedom of religion and human rights, and in favor of religious tolerance, this is not what they practice within the group, states john b. brown, the executive director of approaches to education, inc, individual members of the jehovahs witnesses are not allowed to question their religious beliefs, because this questioning may elicit a punitive response by the religions leaders.
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Siddhashunyata
A class-action suit seems remote however a preponderence of individual civil and human rights violation cases may support a request for a compromise remedy for all organizations that actively proselytize. That remedy would take the form of a full disclosure statement. In the case of Jehovah's Witnesses disclosure would be made at the "door" and in all public advertisements. Perhaps something along these lines: DISCLOSURE STATEMENT: The rules and articles of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses may supersede certain civil and human rights that you now have . By becoming a member you agree to forfeit these rights. Please see the following publications regarding the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses and your Human and Civil Rights: ETC.
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What is the most important thing to know?
by sleepy inif there was just one piece of information you could pass on to another what is the most important thing you can think of that a person should know?.
i would say "never stop learning".. also what subject gives the most enlightenment on life ?.
i would say physics as everything branches from there.
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By knowing one's self, one will understand the true nature of all phenomena and, ones anguish will end.
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Unity & the noosphere (by a Jesuit palentol...
by Abaddon ini was introduced by means of a reference in a novel to a french scientist, theologian and philosopher, teilhard de chardin (1881 - 1955).
i've not actually read any of the guy's stuff, as i only today got round to having a look on the internet, but it's interesting stuff.. as a paleontologist, de chardin has a rather dodgy past - he was either taken in by or part of the piltdown man conspiracy.
as a theologian he was an unconventional jesuit priest and roman catholic, eventually assigned to china due to his unconventional beliefs.
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ABBADON- Thankyou for clarifying your position. I am trying to understand the nature of existential experience. Much of what is termed "spiritual" and "magical", is being now looked at scientifically. Catagorically speaking, it might be called the "science of consciousness." There is a problem with this approach because science can only approach the "thing" because of the conceptualization process itself. Words and symbols only can "point" the way. Once the "thing" is found,even the search becomes obsolete or irrelevant. I am not religious. I am looking for metaphors of existential "confrontation" rather than "metaphors of existential "consolation". This requires a method to be investigated and tried out. The extent to which this practice has been institutionalized as a religion can be guaged by the number of consolatory elements that have crept in: for example, assurances of a better afterlife if you perform virtuous deeds or recite mantras or chant. I eschew atheism as much as theism but my stance is not based on disinterest. To deny either God or meaning is simply the antithesis of affirming them. I'm confronting the enormity of having been born instead of reaching for the consolation of a belief. Looking closer at Teilhard one may see that the "social evolution of Homo sapiens is a logical consequence but the final state of society is a sense of "Oneness" not based on conceptual agreements or science but, on awarness of the true nature of existential experience. It will be a society that is "Awake".(no pun intended) Respectfully, there is a great deal of confusion on this board and I don't want to add to it. I thought this side of things needed more representation because it is a way to end suffering.
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Press Release
by JohnJBB123 indecember 4, 2001. for immediate release:.
a national human rights organization is taking jehovah's witnesses to task for claiming to support human rights while denying them to members.. approaches to education, inc., a arizona based human rights group, went public this week about its concerns that the jehovah's witness religion claims to support the un declaration of human rights while at the same time that it denies those rights to its members.
while jehovah's witnesses claim to be crusaders for freedom of religion and human rights, and in favor of religious tolerance, this is not what they practice within the group, states john b. brown, the executive director of approaches to education, inc, individual members of the jehovahs witnesses are not allowed to question their religious beliefs, because this questioning may elicit a punitive response by the religions leaders.
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Siddhashunyata
If this is true , it is right on target! We have here, the Achilles heel !
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Thought, the down side!
by Siddhashunyata inconceptualization !
what happens if we stop doing it?
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CONCEPTUALIZATION ! What happens if we stop doing it?
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Unity & the noosphere (by a Jesuit palentol...
by Abaddon ini was introduced by means of a reference in a novel to a french scientist, theologian and philosopher, teilhard de chardin (1881 - 1955).
i've not actually read any of the guy's stuff, as i only today got round to having a look on the internet, but it's interesting stuff.. as a paleontologist, de chardin has a rather dodgy past - he was either taken in by or part of the piltdown man conspiracy.
as a theologian he was an unconventional jesuit priest and roman catholic, eventually assigned to china due to his unconventional beliefs.
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The following exerpt is taken from "Ions Noetic Sciences Review" December 2001-February 2002 : "Roger Nelson,PhD is a quiet man with a grand dream: to capture the first glimmerings of global consciousness. His inspiration lies in Teilhard de Chardin's conviction that for the human species, " the only way forward is in the direction of a common passion," for nothing in the universe can ultimately resist "the cumulative ardor of the collective soul." Nelson is Director of the IONS-sponsored Global Consciousness Project(GCP), an international collaboration of scientists, artists, and citizens interested in the extraordinary aspects of human consciousness.....According to Nelson, "We are at a critical time in history, facing the necessity to transform our civilization into one that can survive by taking responsibility for our ominous potential to destroy the world we love--but wich we take for granted. I believe the GCP has a role to play by focusing an illuminating technological perspective on our deep interconnections to each other and to the Earth." The Global Consciousness Project website can be accessed through a link on IONS' website under "Research." www.noetic.org
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Unity & the noosphere (by a Jesuit palentol...
by Abaddon ini was introduced by means of a reference in a novel to a french scientist, theologian and philosopher, teilhard de chardin (1881 - 1955).
i've not actually read any of the guy's stuff, as i only today got round to having a look on the internet, but it's interesting stuff.. as a paleontologist, de chardin has a rather dodgy past - he was either taken in by or part of the piltdown man conspiracy.
as a theologian he was an unconventional jesuit priest and roman catholic, eventually assigned to china due to his unconventional beliefs.
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Consciousness?