Siddhashunyata

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  If Adam Had Not Sinned.............?

  by stevieb1 in

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  i have posted this topic before and achieved some good replies from it.

  i'm just reposting to see if anyone has any further takes on this matter.

  here is my original post:.

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  Why not simply remove the "tree of life"?
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

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  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  " That love which longs to publish itself, ceases to be love."
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

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  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Siddhashunyata

  S.S. ...Thankyou. In return , I admired your patience and tact. You pursued him for his own good. The eye of compassion sees that he needs more strength.
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
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  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Siddhashunyata

  Yes, Jan's thinking is very clear and to the point. The problem we are experiencing is caused by the "need" to believe that Michael was Jesus. C.T. Russell was unable to explain this type of "Transfer" but his sophism went unchallenged. Either the doctrine of Michael/Jesus has to be dropped or the doctrine of soul death has to be changed. It does not help to split hairs over words. We are dealing with concepts. One concept is that something essential (essence) can be moved from body to body . Another is that the essential (essence) is inextricably bound to the body. To creat a third "phantom" concept is an improvement on the WT use of the impersonal "life force" because it (the phantom concept) hints at the transfer of memory,consciousness, and traits of personality. Thus the Michael/Jesus idea is a problem , not for us, but for the WTBTS. They avoided the problem by choosing impersonal " life force". Yardiff put a bright light on the problem by artfully presenting the case for something personal having been "transfered". Now the time has come : choose to drop the Michael/Jesus idea or to drop the soul death idea. If one chooses to keep both ideas then stay with the concept of impersonal "life force" as the thing transferred and wait for the WTBS to put a bright light on their problem....or maybe they don't have a problem, just a style.
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  " When you see the feathers fly, you know you hit your bird."
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  What was transferred? Yes a simple question but its consideration gives rise to a fresh breeze passing through our minds as we realize that the WTBTS is teaching two mutually exclusive doctrines about the soul, a major doctrine.... Liberating!
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Can existence exist without a body?
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Siddhashunyata

  What was transferred?
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Siddhashunyata

  Cygnus... with respect, the issue is not Michael/Jesus but the doctrine of the immortality of the human soul. The inconsistency in J.W. teaching is shown up when one tries to answer the question " What Was Transferred?"
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  Micheal the ArcAngel/Jesus the man

  by plmkrzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i understand that a lot believe that micheal and jesus are one in the same some believe that jehovah and jesus are one in the same some believe that one is the son of god yadda yadda yadda.. would some of you please address or post your reasons for believing that micheal the arc angel was not gods first creation and why he couldn't be the one sent to us to be born as a man and become our savyor?

  why would he not have another name fitting his role as a man on earth?

  he obviously wouldn't be living on earth as a child growing up as an angel.

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  Siddhashunyata

  To Jan H.... With respect, your thinking is clear. . Yadirf seems to be saying that "Life" is something concrete that can be moved around . To him it has personality . The next question is.. Can it exist without a body?