I have not misrepresented anything you said. They are all direct quotations. Amazed at your own blunders? Don't worry jwfacts. So are the lurking JW's.
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Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?
by Recovery ini am well aware that many members of this board adhere to the view that the wt and/or the bible is contradictory.
the question is: if paul grundy is so enlightened as to 'the truth about the truth', why is he so contradictory?.
jwfacts to me (in a personal message): "much of the information at jwfacts.com is from the research of people far more gifted then me,and comes from jwn.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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The WT quotes a secular authority that says that Daniel studied magic (astrology and omens), thus agreeing with such a possibility. They also say that practicing magic is detestable. How am I diverging any information that is somehow different from what is in the WT? One day, I'm a brainwashed fanatic who is incapable of defending himself without the WT, the next I am trying to start my own cult with my own ideas and interpretations.
Somehow I think the more likely conclusion is that you simply haven't researched any WT articles without the anti JW glasses on to see what they really teach in a while.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Finklestein:
Another posing thought to the original article on JWfact's web site ....
Is a child who is playing with a toy that resembles a magician (Sparlock), practicing magic or just studying magic ?
and if so why should a toy of this kind be taken away ?
No I would not say that a child is practicing magic by using a toy like Sparlock. Didn't you watch the DVD? It explicitly explained the reasoning behind the mom's decision to tell her child to throw the child away. If Jehovah says magic is detestable and that he hates it, can a person honestly in good conscience say they show a hatred for what God disapproves of by having a toy that imitates and bedazzles the idea of wizardry? Most reasonable people would say no.
KingSolomon: All you did was quote secular authorities who speculate as to what kind of 'magic' they believe Moses employed. They speculate as to what his training would have consisted of and what it would have entailed being a son of Pharoah's daughter. It is complete conjecture, supposition, and speculation to say that Moses would have relied on Egyptian magic to perform his miracles. I think that's a stretch of immense proportions. Moses has to choose between Almighty God's assistance, and the assistance of the Egyptians whom he utterly demonstrated to be completely powerless with the intervention of Jehovah. Somehow, I don't find it likely to make such assertions about Moses.
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Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?
by Recovery ini am well aware that many members of this board adhere to the view that the wt and/or the bible is contradictory.
the question is: if paul grundy is so enlightened as to 'the truth about the truth', why is he so contradictory?.
jwfacts to me (in a personal message): "much of the information at jwfacts.com is from the research of people far more gifted then me,and comes from jwn.
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Oh, rather be in hades, is that really something that needs an explanation? No need to worry. Refutation on its way.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Well, duh, of course for a doctor to legally practice/medicine/to be licensed he must practice beforehand. But I can still study medicine (by my own merits, reading books I myself have purchased) and still never 'practice it'. I didn't think that needed explanation.
I do not see your question Jgnat.
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Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd
by Recovery injwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.
i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.
1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.
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I cannot promise I can get everything answered to/replied to within the 24 hour period as I originally intended, so I retract my earlier statement. However I am going to go back thru this thread and answer all unanswered points of substance. Please be mindful of how heavy a task this is. I'm guessing it will take me at least 30 minutes to comprehend Leolaia's points, research them, and then just begin to respond.
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Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?
by Recovery ini am well aware that many members of this board adhere to the view that the wt and/or the bible is contradictory.
the question is: if paul grundy is so enlightened as to 'the truth about the truth', why is he so contradictory?.
jwfacts to me (in a personal message): "much of the information at jwfacts.com is from the research of people far more gifted then me,and comes from jwn.
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I guess the "light gets brighter" and tends to flicker on and off every now and then for Paul Grundy.
Nothing more obsessive than what you guys do with the WT, mrsjones5.
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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King Solomon: Sorry, but you cannot side-step MY point.
You mentioned Daniel/Moses/etc, and MY point was that in order to LEARN magic, they had to STUDY AND PRACTICE it; Moses trained under master magicians as taught in the colleges of his day that WERE designed to teach pharoahs, leaders in gov't, etc.
Just like in order to learn to practice law or medicine, you MUST study and practice it under the tutelage of a mentor before getting a license to practice on your own. In medicine, you get didactic (study) and clinical (practice) training. The same applied to magic in Moses day, as part of magic involved healing (eg the staff associated with the serpent, with Moses' healing of snake-bite victims in the Wilderness, etc).
I can study medicine all my life and never have to practice it. I can study how to teach all my life and never have to practice it. Your point is moot and weak. STUDYING does not REQUIRE PRACTICE.
"Immediately, a battle for the young minds of these exiles began. To make sure that the Hebrew teenagers would be molded to fit in with the Babylonian system, Nebuchadnezzar decreed that his officials “teach them the writing and the tongue of the Chaldeans.” (Daniel 1:4) This was no ordinary education. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia explains that it “comprised the study of Sumerian, Akkadian, Aramaic . . . , and other languages, as well as the extensive literature written in them.” “The extensive literature” consisted of history, mathematics, astronomy, and so on. However, “associated religious texts, both omina [omens] and astrology . . . , played a large part.” To study "extensive literature" on "omens and astrology" does not require that I practice it. Point void.
Question for King Solomon: If I study the religion of Islam extensively, with its associated religious texts and its history, am I considered a practicing Muslim? Why or why not?
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Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery ini have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
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Wow personal attacks now... And just because you say the argument has been answered dosent mean it has. Very poorly in this case. You have failed to explain how two rods turned into snakes differ beyond what YOU claim, with no facts or support, is the source of the transformation.
When proven wrong people will of course continue repeating that my argument was 'weak' and 'argued poorly' but cannot offer a credible rebuttal. You yourself helped me proved my case with my stove illustration. For that, thanks. And have you read the personal attacks jwfacts has launched against me? Ha, he said I'm trying to start my own cult among other things. What I said was a pat back on the back in comparison.
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Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?
by Recovery ini am well aware that many members of this board adhere to the view that the wt and/or the bible is contradictory.
the question is: if paul grundy is so enlightened as to 'the truth about the truth', why is he so contradictory?.
jwfacts to me (in a personal message): "much of the information at jwfacts.com is from the research of people far more gifted then me,and comes from jwn.
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Mind you, my communication with jwfacts has been very limited (albeit lengthy at times), as he does not engage in a debate for more than 20 or 30 minutes before leaving. Imagine the contradictions if we had discussions everyday. I am glad onlookers can see the fallacies and the errors contained within slowly but surely coming to light.