Posts by Recovery

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Devil's Advocate , A QUESTION FOR RECOVERY AND OTHERS.

by DATA-DOG in

i noticed recovery's post is on lock-down.

i have never seen that happen.

i want to play devils advocate and recovery can answer honestly.

Recovery

If there is an unbaptized publisher in the congregation who is an unwholesome influence, or could be, on other youth, the Elders standard protocol is to warn parents. The reason being that the parents need to protect their children from danger. I am a parent, and I feel that a child who listens to questionable music or watches questionable movies, or may have some behavioral issues is much less of a threat to my child than a child molester.

There is standard protocol also enforced for child molestors. If the elders will follow standard protocol in warning you about unwholesome influences do you think they will not warn the parents of the congregation of a convicted sex offender? You see, the protocol for elders regarding molestors is much much more serious and encompassing than a simple warning to not associate with a certain individual. They are not allowed to work alone with children in service. They are not allowed to touch or fondle or cultivate friendships with children. They are not allowed to invite children over their house. They are not allowed to have any congregational privileges or to be alone with children at any time. If all of this is to be enforced, don't you think more than 7 (likely busy and full-time working) men would have to know about the abuser's status?

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Devil's Advocate , A QUESTION FOR RECOVERY AND OTHERS.

by DATA-DOG in

i noticed recovery's post is on lock-down.

i have never seen that happen.

i want to play devils advocate and recovery can answer honestly.

Recovery

Recovery, let's say that Candice Conti is lying about the whole thing. That doesn't explain why the Elders in general ( there are some exceptions) will not inform parent's when a convicted or accused child molester is in the Christian Congregation.

A letter dated March 14, 1997 gives us a clear answer: "What should elders do when a former child molester moves to another congregation? As outlined in the February 1991 Our Kingdom Ministry "Question Box" and the August 1, 1995, letter to all Bodies of Elders, our policy is always to send a letter of introduction when a publisher moves to another congregation. It is imperative that this be done when one who is known to have been a child molester moves. The secretary should write on behalf of the elders to the new congregation's body of elders and outline this publisher's background and what the elders in the old congregation have been doing to assist him. Any needed cautions should be provided to the new congregation's body of elders. The elders should send a copy of this letter to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in one of the "Special Blue" envelopes."

As we see, a letter is sent out each time a former molester moves for the rest of his life. They keep an eye out. As shown previously in a 1997 letter to the BOE, rules and restrictions to be enforced upon former molesters for the protection of children. The elders upon being informed can make sure these rules are carried out. They make sure, for example, that he does not work in field service with a child, have children spend the night, hold children, cultivate friendship with children, receive privileges, caution others if there is a cause for concern, etc. Now ask yourself: how could any of these cautionary actions be made if people are not informed of a child molestor in the congregation? This is the beauty of Jehovah's Witnesses congregation sizes being restricted to about 120 publishers. It is a tight-knit, relatively small group of publishers. Everybody knows everybody. People are definitely made aware of the child abuser's status.

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Full time ministry Joy--or Lack Thereof

by WTWizard in

i can remember all the while i was in the cancer that they would trump up the value of pious-sneering.

one of those was the "joy" of serving jehovah full time.

they would always have these fantastic stories about how they had obstacles that they foolhardily disregarded, or that they got all these people into the cancer.. this is full of rubbish.

Recovery

A similar inquiry made to the prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel:

Doesn't the Bible say Jehovah will pour out a floodgate of blessings upon those who do his will? Well, I'm sorry, I just don't see how anyone can think being a full-time prophet of Jehovah is a blessing in any sense of the word. How many times were you beat and spit upon Jeremiah? I've lost count. Ezekiel, you had to lie on your side for 390 days. How in the world can anybody call that a blessing? Surely, there is no way you benefitted from being put in cisterns (Jeremiah), or having to lie on your side (390 days). 99% of people are apathetic to your message anyway. It doesn't matter how much preaching you do. There were prophets before you (Micah, for example) and they didn't listen to them. You are wasting time preaching to them. You have been declaring the same message for over 23 years now and nothing has happened. Nobody has listened. If you add the time of the previous and contemporary prophets who declared a similar message, you have over 300 years of combined preaching and the people as a whole will still be killed, according to your so-called prophets. How long have you been saying the day of Jehovah is near for now?

I also can't say why a loving God who brings blessings upon you would tell you not to marry, Jeremiah. Surely, you need a support system. "Normal" men get married and have children. What type of blessing is it to have to be alone and old, by yourself after so many years of full time prophesying for your precious Jehovah? After all the beatings and the spitting and the mocking and the humilliation and the apathy you've been facing after all these years, the least he could "bless" you with is a wife. Even your secretary Baruch is tired of the same monotonous routine of going in the court gates and near the same walls of Jerusalem and preaching this same message of destruction.

And Ezekiel, Jehovah told you not to show any emotion/remorse when your wife died. He isn't going to give you another one in place of her? After all your years of full time prophesying, that's certainly one of the least things he could do for you. And on top of all your faithfulness, you end up going into exile with the rest of the idol worshippers and even the women who boiled their children alive. How have you benefitted from full time prophesying at all? What do you have to show for it? How can anybody be happy or feel blessed in these circumstances?

Jeremiah and Ezekiel I think you might want to rethink full time prophesying. Or maybe you be like Urijah and flee to Egypt and stop prophesying for Jehovah. But wait, Jehovah would probably allow you to be killed for your disobedience. Wow, you're screwed no matter what you do. You're trapped in this horrible, unhappy, monotonous, unfulfilling, unjoyful full time prophesying work. I feel so sorry for you.

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Finally! -- Why the WTS Discourages Higher Education

by Recovery in

i'm sure many of you have been wondering why the wts has stuck to it's adamant viewpoint of higher education.

let's settle it once and for all.

this will prove conclusively why it's in young people's best interests to avoid higher education.. candace conti has inspired hundreds, perhaps thousands of young girls across america to successfully take on the wts.

Recovery

Proverbs 14:17 " He that is quick to anger will commit foolishness, but the man of thinking abilities is hated."

I think there is a reason behind so much anger and weeping and gnashing and name calling. It is because my sarcasm so eloquently exposes the absurdness and ridiculous of certain people's reasoning abilities. It is because they know deep down that something isn't right, but because they are so blinded by their hate for JW's, they will not allow themselves to believe otherwise.

Notice no one has addressed any of my sarcastic points and offered a credible defense for Ms. Conti. Why? Because not even Ms. Conti could offer a reasonable and credible defense of her allegations.

Why are you so quick to scrutinize every WT article and every experience in the WT publications, but you can't take a realistic view of this case? Why do you want JW's to "think for themselves" when it comes to the WT, but you won't do it for one child abuse case? You are too busy celebrating and rejoicing out of your hatred for JW's instead of verifying the facts. Maybe if some of you had done that, you would still be Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Finally! -- Why the WTS Discourages Higher Education

by Recovery in

i'm sure many of you have been wondering why the wts has stuck to it's adamant viewpoint of higher education.

let's settle it once and for all.

this will prove conclusively why it's in young people's best interests to avoid higher education.. candace conti has inspired hundreds, perhaps thousands of young girls across america to successfully take on the wts.

Recovery

I am not defending child molestors. I am not defending anyone. I am simply trying to show people why the WTS is justified in discouraging higher education. Who wouldn't want to be a millionaire?

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How Did God Communicate His 1914 Decision?

by Cold Steel in

is the organization a self-appointed group of people and is it any better or worse than the rest of christendom?

and why does it avoid the use of the term church?.

one fascinating thing is that the wbts has repeatedly published the claim that in 1914, jesus returned invisibly and inspected all the religions then on the earth.

Recovery

A lot of that is a misrepresentation/inaccurate portrayal of what JW's teach. I don't understand what you are asking since your questions are based on something JW's do not teach.

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Finally! -- Why the WTS Discourages Higher Education

by Recovery in

i'm sure many of you have been wondering why the wts has stuck to it's adamant viewpoint of higher education.

let's settle it once and for all.

this will prove conclusively why it's in young people's best interests to avoid higher education.. candace conti has inspired hundreds, perhaps thousands of young girls across america to successfully take on the wts.

Recovery

CHAPTER 3: GET A THERAPIST, AND ABUSE HALLUCINATORY DRUGS:

"The next step you need to take is to get a therapist. Instead of putting money in the contribution box, simply save it and use it to pay for your therapist sessions. Tell the therapist everything about you. But never, ever, ever, ever mention the abuse you suffered. That is not something you should tell your therapist. That is just sick and unusual to tell your therapist the most traumatic thing that has ever happened to you. In fact, if you want a court to believe you were truly traumatized and forced to stay silent out of fear from disfellowshipping, please abuse hallucinatory drugs. Mhy favorite is a mix of meth with crack cocaine and a dash of PCP all mixed into one. You need something to cope with your pain. Do not go to your parents or friends. Do not let anyone know what has happened to you. If you would like some assistance in obtaining hallucinatory drugs please google it. You should be at least 11-12 years old reading this book, so I am sure this is something that you can do. If you want to become a millionaire, you have to be determined and serious about these steps. It is the only way -- Conti's way.

--End of chapter 3 preview.

*continues taking notes

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"You Might Be An Apostate If!" JW Grandma words yesterday!

by HelpMeBelieve in

grandma is concerned about my spirituality, worried i don't use lingo like "faithful slave", "annointed elders", "waiting on jehovah, endure the bafflegabbing, prevaricating lying friends" .

"you speak too much about love, use jesus of nazareth's name too much!

you speak the way apostates speak!

Recovery

Another believable firsthand experience. Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses scoff at the very mention of Jesus' name. How suspicious of you to use the name Jesus so much, even though it occurs 137,000+ times in the WT Publications. How strange and apostate-like of you (in the minds of JW's) to place any emphasis on Jesus, although pretty much every book that's ever been published extensively discusses the importance of Christ Jesus ransom sacrifice, the end of Gentiles Times when Christ began his heavenly reign, and how we can imitate him in the preaching work (which is out of obedience to Christ's commands). And how peculiar and absurd that you should mention the name of Jesus so much when we have two recent publications which deal exclusively with the ministry and life of Jesus.

You have GOT to be more careful.

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Finally! -- Why the WTS Discourages Higher Education

by Recovery in

i'm sure many of you have been wondering why the wts has stuck to it's adamant viewpoint of higher education.

let's settle it once and for all.

this will prove conclusively why it's in young people's best interests to avoid higher education.. candace conti has inspired hundreds, perhaps thousands of young girls across america to successfully take on the wts.

Recovery

I am sorry breakfast of champions that I am disobeying Watchtower daddy by being on this website. I guess I will have to repent after I've finished taking notes on chapters 3 and 4.

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Finally! -- Why the WTS Discourages Higher Education

by Recovery in

i'm sure many of you have been wondering why the wts has stuck to it's adamant viewpoint of higher education.

let's settle it once and for all.

this will prove conclusively why it's in young people's best interests to avoid higher education.. candace conti has inspired hundreds, perhaps thousands of young girls across america to successfully take on the wts.

Recovery

Recovery, you are pretty up tight. If being a JW is so great, why not chill out and just do what you are told with other JWs, instead of ranting her.

Jwfacts, you are pretty up tight. If being an exJW is so great, why not chill out and just do what you are told with other ex JWs instead of ranting here and on your website.

Your post is garbage.

Your website is garbage.

1. If what you are saying is so "obvious", then the WTS would not have been found guilty.

If it was so obvious that O.J. Simpson was guilty of murder, then the jury would not have acquitted him of the charges.

2. Despite tens of thousands of JWs being molested, only a very small number have been able to get their just compensation.

Unsubstantiated, undocumented, exaggerated figures which portray a fictional abuse crisis within the organization that simply does not exist.

See that ladies and gentlemen? More name calling and poor reasoning ability. Have you been reading the latest Watchtower and Awake magazines?