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  What Were Your Elders Real World Jobs?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we all know that education is severely demonized in this religion.

  and that the elders are appointed based on how many meetings they attend, hours they put in on the ministry and general attitude to other elders (as apposed to, you know, actual theological training and counseling) - so my question is, what were your elders occupations outside the kingdom hall?.

  in my old congregation our elders consisted of:.

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  Tallon

  I forgot to add in my first post;

  1 was a manager on a poultry farm (graduate of the Gilead Missionary School)
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  What Were Your Elders Real World Jobs?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we all know that education is severely demonized in this religion.

  and that the elders are appointed based on how many meetings they attend, hours they put in on the ministry and general attitude to other elders (as apposed to, you know, actual theological training and counseling) - so my question is, what were your elders occupations outside the kingdom hall?.

  in my old congregation our elders consisted of:.

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  Tallon

  A heating engineer in charge of a hospital (don't even know the correct name for this job but quite skilled) ... Slimboyfat.

  HVAC Engineer - Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning. A skilled trade.

  
  
  
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  What Were Your Elders Real World Jobs?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we all know that education is severely demonized in this religion.

  and that the elders are appointed based on how many meetings they attend, hours they put in on the ministry and general attitude to other elders (as apposed to, you know, actual theological training and counseling) - so my question is, what were your elders occupations outside the kingdom hall?.

  in my old congregation our elders consisted of:.

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  Tallon

  I’ve attended a number of congregations over the years and these were the professions that I know some of the Elders had;

  3 were company directors

  2 were medical doctors (GP & Anaesthetist)

  3 were architects

  Some were involved with finance (accountants)

  Some were tradesman (fitter & turners, electricians, electro-mech technicians)

  1 was a branch manager of a retail store

  1 was a lawyer

  A good number of Elders were retired

  … and many that I did not know what their occupations were.
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  Speculation? What would Watchtower be now if it had fully embraced the internet / technology 20 years ago

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this has probably been discussed before so please feel free to include links as well.

  so what would wt be now if it had encouraged it's members to use the internet or technology for spreading the good news.

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  Tallon

  Modern technology ie. the www; has certainly exposed the Org for what it truly is; a farce. The only downside is that we did not have this technology back in 'our day'.

  Had we had this technology back in the 70's to 90's, then, IMO, the WTBTS as we know it today, would be nothing more than a minority religion, scrabbling 'for crumbs' to find to some relevance.
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  Some recent baptism figures in the UK - is there a "bounce back"?

  by freddo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, round my way (south of the uk) all the way up to and including the regional conventions this summer, baptism numbers have been extremely low.

  but i have just received news of three recent circuit assembly days where the figures seem to be higher.

  (all have been across the last three weekends at a uk assembly hall in october).

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  Tallon

  @ Hernandez ^^^^^

  Never a truer word spoken / written
  

  The Organisation and its current leadership today is nothing in comparison to what we experienced in the 80 / 90's.

  W.ORG ! ..... you might as well bow down to the 'golden calf' in the days of the ancient Israelites.

  PS: My post is not aimed at those who came afterward afterward as they are possibly none the wiser.
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  CO visits me today

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.

  so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).

  so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.

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  Top drawer, Chook.
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  Publisher death nail.

  by Chook in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have done this exactly as quoted more than once.

  i ask elder if it's better to hide serious sin or reveal, of course we know the answer.

  then i ask them to explain elders book page 38 paragraph 19, which say it's sometimes ok for elder who has committed immorality and has kept it secret to continue serving as elder.

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  I'm not surprised; as with most organisations there are two sets of rules.

  One set for the 'higher' echelons, and one for the R & F.
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  what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

  shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

  that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

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  ….. 'In order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.' ….. Aboveusonlysky

  How can the Org impose upon JC Elders the requirement to be convinced whether the person being ‘judged’ heart has changed?

  I am not knocking Elders however, are not they not imperfect men as is every human being? How can they, as imperfect beings, judge others?

  Does not the scripture at Jeremiah 17:10 read: “I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the innermost thoughts, to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his works”.

  Therefore, is not Jehovah the one who reads hearts? Yes, there are occasions where Elders judge a situation right however, what if they judge a situation wrong? If Jehovah is the one guiding the decision(s) of JC Elders, then how can there be wrong judgments?

  Although I was an MS, in hindsight, I’m glad that I was never appointed an Elder.
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  Week 16 Since My Disfellowshipping - Update

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi guys.

  i could really do with you advice regarding my current state since being disfellowshipped 16 weeks ago.. since being given the boot (i did try to fade but it failed) ive been on a rollacoaster of emotions.

  lately im getting frequent headaches, tiredness and i have about 3 or 4 thoughts running through my mind at all times.. im passed the sadness phase of discovering it's a cult.

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  Tallon

  Hi PE

  As has been suggested on other discussions, maybe it might be worthwhile having a few sessions with a counsellor - if only to make sense of some of your thought processes and to point you in a direction from which you can move forward.
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  What happens to the elders?

  by Worldling9 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with so many khs closing and congos consolidating, what happens to the elders?

  clearly there won't be a place for all of them.

  would the older ones be the first to go, losing their long held positions of 'power'?.

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  I stand under correction however, I'm guessing that the Elders will be transferred to the BOE of the congregation to which they are re-assigned.