Posts by jhine

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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors

by frankiespeakin in

watch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.

i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.

jhine

Hi Ann ,

thanks for your answer , it is funny that you asked about pressure , my friend did say that one of the ladies , the brighter tack of the two , for want of a better description , has mentioned to my friend that it might be better if the studies continued with just her and my friend . As I said these studies have been going on for some years now and my friend is no nearer to going to a KH than she ever was . This is not because of me , she said from the beggining that she would not convert , but I suppose that they thought that they could win her over . Probably the lady B who mentioned this thinks that it is my influence that is keeping my friend away . Also the other lady R who is wonderful , but not the brightest star in the sky , is easily distracted by me and will go off on long tangents answering my questions so disrupting the flow of the studies .

I wondered if someone higher up is putting pressure on B as my friend has made no progress towards becoming a JW after all this time . I noticed just on another thread how visits by COs can cause panic if awkward questions may be asked . Am I putting 2+2 together and making 5 ?

With regards to people learning TTATT I struggle because being an Anglican I question whether JW theology is enough for salvation . YOu are still in to some extent so this is tricky but I do want to discuss this with someone "in the know " if I am being upsetting then tell me to back off and I will understand . Many of the ex JWs on the site are now atheists and do not have any sympathy with my line of thinking .It has just occured to me (der ) that I do not know your feelings on matters theological so I will shut up now .

Any suggestions or advice that you can give on TTATT would be appreciated Janet

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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors

by frankiespeakin in

watch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.

i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.

jhine

It isn't actually my study , My friend who before her husband retired was lonely , because of some problems a lot of people avoided her , although she is lovely . So some years ago now she started letting a couple of JWs come to her house on Fridays to study . She just liked the company and never had any intention of converting . She was brought up Cof E . When I found out about the studies I did council caution and put her wise to some of the org. tricks and lies . She wouldn't let me near the two ladies for some time in case I upset them ! She is quite soft hearted and although she didn't agree with what they were saying (for herself , not just because of my words ) she knew that probably I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut .!

However she met some other JWs ,who sat in when one of the principals was away, who she did not like so much and realised some of the arrogance and non love in the org. and one day when I had called at her door to enquire after her health because she had not been well it was just as the two ladies had arrived and she said something like " oh be buggered if you upset them , come in and sit with us and have a cuppa " well I have sat in on most Fridays now for a couple of years . I do not make any attempt to hide my feelings about the org. and do occasionally challenge what is said in the study booklets , but to their credit the two listen, go away ,look up , in JW literature of course , and come back with an answer . Though a couple of times only have conceded that I could have a point . That of course does not change their loyalty !

They use the studies in the Watchtower and Awake ( public ) publications , though cus going is slow with my friend , and I do sometimes hi-jack the discussions , they are using ones from a few months ago I think . I only know that the one used the other day had a quite large article , meant for public study , about judgement , What it is , when it will happen , how it will affect us etc. With the usual illustrations and questions at the end .

Next Friday I will find out exactly the one used and let you know . I am most grateful for your imput and information .

Are you in or out of the org ? I ask because from my observations on this site it seems that many who realise TTATT especially for themselves seem to get very bitter , suspicious ( which you can understand ) and many it seems to me lose faith altogether . I do therefore wonder whether it is useful to try to awake some to TTATT . Are they better off for knowing ?

I would certainly continue to stop people from joining , but when I read how the org. has screwed with peoples minds and how some lose everything , like Grace , I wonder on the ethics of giving someone knowledge that they can never unknow and which will alter their lives , maybe not always for the better . Janet

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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors

by frankiespeakin in

watch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.

i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.

jhine

thank you Ann (may I call you Ann ?) you have made things a lot clearer for me . When I have asked about my fate as a died in the wool Trinitarian I have only had fudged answers , like " well we cannot know Jehovah's mind and His judgements " Obviously they did not want to tell me that if Armageddon comes tomorrow I will be on the big skewer ! At my age I would be a bit tough , though plenty to share . Also the booklet that they used in the study with my friend gives a lovely rosy glow to the whole subject , which I did suspect was not the story in the KHs .

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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors

by frankiespeakin in

watch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.

i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.

jhine

Thank you AnnOMaly ,

your explanation does not make sense with what was said in the public study book about judgement at that study . I know who is right ! The book said that everyone will have a chance to turn back to Jehovah

and repent and be part of the paradise Earth . It seems that that does not include those who have been roasted , will that group include the clergy of Christendom , for whom I did read that there is a worse puishment awaiting ?

I couldn't figure out how there could be a worse punishment as I understood that ONLY death awaited those who disobeyed the org !! A nice quiet finishing of life , not an incineration on a toasting fork .

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I have said it before

by mouthy in

jw
friends

this time i mean it.. thanks for all the ones that love me .

i am getting off the site after all these years.. anghard & simon .

but of late.

jhine

It seems that one positive thing has come from this and I have identified people who have faith and with whom I can share .

It does seem a shame that sometimes the site seems to be them and us , I am sure that that was never the original intention .

I live with a husband who is an atheist and not always complementary of religion , but who, cus he loves me does respect my right to believe even though he thinks that I am daft for doing so. This means that it isn't strange for me to hear some of the comments ,I just think that especially when someone is trying to help "waiverers " to see some TTATT it isn't helpful for them to have their expectations of appostates backed up nasty personal comments . Those of you who have been JWs obviously know much better than I how appostates are painted by the org , and for those on the edge to get the impression that all that they have been told by the org. is true may turn them from the site .

I can stick up for myself and can , I am not proud to say be just as nasty as anyone , this is a trait that I have had to rein in , so I choose to not bite . What good would it do to start a slanging match ? It certainly would not show this site in a very good light to new comers . I feel blessed to have become part of JWN and want to soak up as much positive information as I can .

So please everyone keep on helping me to gain knowledge and information to help those still ensnared by the org.

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I have said it before

by mouthy in

jw
friends

this time i mean it.. thanks for all the ones that love me .

i am getting off the site after all these years.. anghard & simon .

but of late.

jhine

thank you for the comments ladies , Grace I hadn't realised that you had suffered so much at the hands of the org.

You really have lived Jesus' words of "A man must leave his father and mother (etc ) to follow me ." Pardon the paraphrase but you know what I mean . I do not know if I could have your courage , I pray so .

Lost and Gojira , your comments about bullying on the site made me think . You would suppose that ex JW's would understand the awful effect of bullying , even verbally, having been exposed to it in the org.

Maybe it is like a child who is abused , SOME go on to abuse , only because they know no different way to relate .

It is frustrating when trying to make a point to someone who may be on the verge of TTATT , to have someone else come in with a different agenda , simply trying to destroy faith altogether , .

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I have said it before

by mouthy in

jw
friends

this time i mean it.. thanks for all the ones that love me .

i am getting off the site after all these years.. anghard & simon .

but of late.

jhine

thanks Mouthy , it is hard for me to understand how being in a cult can mess with your mind . I am trying to understand , that is one of the reasons for coming onto the site .

Keep on keeping on !

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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors

by frankiespeakin in

watch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.

i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.

jhine

So , as someone who does not know . Who is Anthony Morris 111 ? And what about the people who are incinerated ? Is this before or after the 1000 yr reign . I have been trying to find out about this cus I sat in on a study that used the judgement booklet and I couldn't get a handle on what was said .

77

I have said it before

by mouthy in

jw
friends

this time i mean it.. thanks for all the ones that love me .

i am getting off the site after all these years.. anghard & simon .

but of late.

jhine

granny Grace , you are my heroine , I never have been a JW but try to help those that are to see TTATT . I am a Christian and it was nice to have someone like you on the site , sometimes the onslaught of the Atheists ( a good film title there ) is hard , I am not sure why of many of you feel the need to be rude and sarcastic . OK perhaps we (I) sometimes come across as loony ,but we are human , we do bleed when cut etc . Stay around Mouthy at least on a part time basis PLEASE

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Why do JWs stay despite doubts & discoveries about JW Beliefs?

by ProfCNJ in

jw
friends

if we are going to create a pie chart with the following categories, what could be the main components-reasons and their respective percentages for just staying in the organization in spite of the doubts, discoveries about the jw doctrines/beliefs?

i doubt if the topmost reason is because of love of jehovah god and his son jesus christ.

your inputs dear friends and fellow brothers will be most appreciated.. a. below 40 years old.

jhine

Thank you Blondie , however I am still a bit confused , are you saying that only JW's will be ressurected after Armageddon ? So they are the only people who will be given a chance to have eternal life (on paradise EArth )

It was explained to me as if all people can have a second bite of the cherry and make up their mind to turn to Jehovah or not , which as I said did not make sense . Also as a child I can remember JWs coming to our door saying quite catagorically that only JWs would servive Armageddon , they would have a VERY big rock to hide behind . This was a long time ago so I did not know if noo lite had been shone on this .