Posts by jhine

i am interested in learning whether or not the watchtower society is the only religious entity that teaches the "from paradise lost to paradise regained" idea.. the "idea" is that god's original purpose for man and the earth has not changed.

god purposed for adam and eve and their offspring to reproduce and fill the earth and live forever upon it; but the problem of sin entered into the picture and temporarily interrupted that purpose from being completed.

jhine

I think that the WT is perhaps the only organisation, their description, that teaches the 2 tier system .

Yes the Bible says that eventually the earth and the heavens will be destroyed after the devil has been imprisoned for a 1000 years . During this time what appear to be martyrs " those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus " will reign with Christ . Interestingly the wording is " they CAME to life and reigned with Christ " Rev 20

Ch 21 starts with " then l saw a new Heaven and a new earth for the first Heaven and the first earth had passed away. and there was no longer any sea "

I know that some Bible scholars think that the sea refers to the sky so now Heaven and earth are merged

Then we are told that God's dwelling place is now among the people and He will dwell with them in the new Jerusalem.

Ch 22 says that from the throne of God and of the Lamb a river of the water of life will flow and on either side of the river will be the Tree of Life

This sounds like maybe Eden restored. So the implication seems to be that the New Heaven and New Earth will be one and ALL " the saved " will be together with God.

So how does the WT get the teaching that some stay on earth for ever and 144,000 go to Heaven ? That is also where they lose anyone with any Bible knowledge. I've queried this with JWs and basically the answer is " It's what the Org. says "

So yes a thousand year reign on earth but then it all changes.

I can't say that the WT is the only faith group that teach that some people will live eternally on this earth restored to perfection but l know that not many do .

Jan

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Does christianity induce insanity?

by fulltimestudent in

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this is happening in western australian indigenous communities .... quote: "some american-based preachers are distributing emails and videos warning that covid-19 vaccines are evil and the work of satan, and the notion has infected some christian communities in the west australian outback.. veteran aboriginal health worker kathy watson said people spreading false information about the covid-19 vaccination and its links to the devil were "mad".".

see more at: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/anti-vacc-church-speaks-out-against-misinformation/100430208.

jhine

Rafe, l think that you are saying that all of the paranoia and guilt etc can be induced in individuals by political ideology . I think so . In Nazi Germany some " good " Germans believed Hitler's rhetoric about Jews and turned on their neighbours, sometimes friends .

In communist regimes paranoia and brain washing are used to keep the populace being loyal . With the result that " good " people do bad things.

I understand that the brainwashing techniques used by the WT were devised in North Korea for political purposes

Fear , paranoia and guilt are not exclusive to religion ( some religion ) .

Most mainstream religions , even in the USA , do not produce these negatives in their followers

The vicar at the time sent this as one of his daily emails to the congregation of my church ( apologies for my friends picture on the screen shot ) .

Does that seem like someone trying to induce fear or guilt or anything other than a positive mental health attitude ?

Jan

19

Does christianity induce insanity?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

this is happening in western australian indigenous communities .... quote: "some american-based preachers are distributing emails and videos warning that covid-19 vaccines are evil and the work of satan, and the notion has infected some christian communities in the west australian outback.. veteran aboriginal health worker kathy watson said people spreading false information about the covid-19 vaccination and its links to the devil were "mad".".

see more at: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/anti-vacc-church-speaks-out-against-misinformation/100430208.

jhine

Why do people ignore politics? It has been estimated that more people died because of Communism and Fascism than because of religious wars

Hitler killed millions and so did Stalin . Not to mention communist regimes in Korea and Vietnam plus the Pol Pots and Idi Amins of the world .

Political ideology is just as dangerous as religious fanaticism.

Violent and unstable people will always find a " cause " to hitch their wagon to in order to legitimise what they do .

Jan

19

Does christianity induce insanity?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

this is happening in western australian indigenous communities .... quote: "some american-based preachers are distributing emails and videos warning that covid-19 vaccines are evil and the work of satan, and the notion has infected some christian communities in the west australian outback.. veteran aboriginal health worker kathy watson said people spreading false information about the covid-19 vaccination and its links to the devil were "mad".".

see more at: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/anti-vacc-church-speaks-out-against-misinformation/100430208.

jhine

Do what? Aren't with us any more ?

Don't talk daft, Leo painted my lounge walls yesterday.

The ceiling's not bad either , he bought his mate Michelangelo with him .

Jan

19

Does christianity induce insanity?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

this is happening in western australian indigenous communities .... quote: "some american-based preachers are distributing emails and videos warning that covid-19 vaccines are evil and the work of satan, and the notion has infected some christian communities in the west australian outback.. veteran aboriginal health worker kathy watson said people spreading false information about the covid-19 vaccination and its links to the devil were "mad".".

see more at: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/anti-vacc-church-speaks-out-against-misinformation/100430208.

jhine

Punk , l could belong to that tribe, if you include choc eclairs.

Politics, celebrities for the ugly . Ouch . 😂.

Jan

19

Does christianity induce insanity?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

this is happening in western australian indigenous communities .... quote: "some american-based preachers are distributing emails and videos warning that covid-19 vaccines are evil and the work of satan, and the notion has infected some christian communities in the west australian outback.. veteran aboriginal health worker kathy watson said people spreading false information about the covid-19 vaccination and its links to the devil were "mad".".

see more at: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/anti-vacc-church-speaks-out-against-misinformation/100430208.

jhine

As a Christian l would like to point out that

A) it's American based opposition to vaccines. not surprising given all the conspiracy theorists there

B) it's not just religious folks spreading this stuff . See WTWizards post above

C) religion produces insanity, my friends Napoleon and DaVinci totally agree with me that this is not true .

Jan

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Religious groups in UK failing children over sex abuse, report says - BBC News

by ballistic in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58420270.

this item just featured on the bbc lunchtime news today as the headline story and the piece included a reporter who singled out jehovah's witnesses for discussion from the 30 organisations covered by the report.

the news item then went on to feature an extensive interview ex elder and ex jehovah's witness writer lloyd evans..

jhine

Earnest, thank you for that. I know that l let emotion take over from reason when l posted and l did wonder if l had gone a bit far .

I would hope that lessons were learnt from this.

Jan