Posts by jhine

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Another diabolical, disingenuous, nutcase illustration

by Beth Sarim in

this has been weighing on my mind all day,.

i just have to vent and get this off my chest.. the latest jw brainwashing, indoctrination session i think it was a broadcast.

toward the end where the speaker was spouting-off about being in a 'race' again and 'enduring until the end',.

jhine

Are they using it in the sense of Armageddon is imminent? Which is their usual stick with which to beat their followers .

I just saw a man on a tractor zoom past shouting " the end is nigh , the end is nigh " .

I think it was Farmer Geddon .

Jan

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

jhine

Disillusioned JW . I had a look at that survey and another was conducted later which gave much lower figures .

These may well have been JWs and some Muslims as it just said that religious people were polled .

Certainly in the UK l would think that most young Muslims agree with evolution .

Creationism isn't an issue here , the vast majority of Brits give no thought to the subject at all . We are a much more secular society and Christians, other than JWs , have no problem with evolution.

Creationism is never mentioned in the media which it seems to be in the US as this battle rages.

Jan

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

jhine

Hi DisillusionedJW . Well you are kind of proving my point about American religion. JWs and Seventh Day Adventists both spread from America.

Yes there are lots of JWs in the UK but they believe what Americans tell them to .

I don't think that British religious groups only accept evolution just because Darwin was British. I believe that the vast majority of non American Christians are happy to accept evolution.

Schools in pretty much every country teach evolution. As far as l am aware it's only American Christians ( and l am aware not all ) that call for schools to teach 7 day creation.

If the word American has come up a lot in this post it's because the US appears to be the only country with this argument raging .

Jan

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

jhine

I have not read through the whole thread, just the OP and a few random posts .

However it seems to me that the OP only refers to religion in America.

News flash there are a few Christians dotted around in other countries.

I find myself constantly pointing this out on other sites, a lot on Quora. Religion in the US seems to have developed in a bubble. I don't know any 7 day creationists at all . The Church of England and l believe Catholic Church fully embrace evolution.

Tbh I'm not sure about British JWs but again religious ideas exported from America. .

Jan

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News story claims: "Jehovah’s Witnesses" are QAnon believers"

by Balaamsass2 in

i was googling the subject and came across this story.

i just had an incredible phone conversation with a long-time jw who has strong "q-anon" "sovereign citizen" beliefs.

the wife(first gen) says she is not surprised.

jhine

Wow TonusOH , absolutely incredible . As a Brit l had to Google QAnon . I really think that most Brits would have to .

As to Brit JWs l don't know but suspect that they would be as ignorant about it as the rest of the population.

My mind is totally boggled.

Jan

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which Translation Now?

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

why?.

jhine

Sorry that I've been a while getting back on .

The reason that l said no JW answers is because as with everything they only push their own agenda. The Tetragrammaton definitely was in the NT writings but was deliberately removed by apostates to back up false Trinitarian teachings . That kind of thing .

Then they choose to put the Divine Name back into the Bible to back up their teachings. Also their methodology for translating is at best in question .

I read the Howard pdf and to be honest while following their reasoning l still saw lots of

Reasonable to ASSUME

In his OPINION

Etc .

Also if l read it correctly the Tetragrammaton was sometimes substituted by other words in MSS of the OT . So this practice of substitution isn't a new thing for lots of reasons including honouring the Sacred nature of the Divine Name.

As l previously said for every scholar on one side of the debate there will be one on the other side . The point being that the matter is still under debate until proof is found to settle the matter.

It still just could , and l emphasise could , be possible that the writers of the NT deliberately used Kyrios etc. instead of God's personal name when quoting from the OT on purpose.

I didn't mean to sound bolshi about this and apologise if l did .

Jan

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which Translation Now?

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

why?.

jhine

I do not mock God's name . I take it very seriously. I would be very upset if the Tetragramaton was removed from the OT . I don't know any Christian who wouldn't be . The OT is the story of Yahweh's relationship with His chosen people. It also points to the coming of The Messiah . If the Divine Name was originally used in the NT why have no manuscripts been found with it in ? Non JW answers only please. How do serious scholars account for it's seeming disappearance?

I'm not categorically saying that it wasn't there but , to me , until proof is found then it's an open question .

Jan

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which Translation Now?

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

why?.

jhine

Slim l understand that there are people who support the idea of the Divine name in the New Testament l still believe that there is no proof of it . At best it's conjecture .

For all the supporters of that theory there are probably as many detractors who are equally qualified on the subject.

So l feel that until it's proven it's wrong of the WT particular to put the word Jehovah into the texts .

Jan

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C of E Abuse Report. Contrast with JW org !

by Phizzy in

note this report covers cases going back to 1949, they uncovered 400. if j.w's in the u.k did a similar, thorough trawl of all congregation records going back that far, let's pretend they haven't destroyed most of them, we know they have, but just pretend they are all available, how many cases of abuse would they uncover ?

in a much smaller org ?.

maybe the file destruction that has gone on was to protect the org.

jhine

Happy Dad you may want to change that pseudonym 🤣.

I am a member of the CofE and l can confirm that rigorous precautions have been put in place to help prevent this kind of thing happening.

I am a 66yr old female member of my specific church's PCC ( parochial church council) . This is the group who make decisions about stuff that goes on and is responsible for upkeep of the building.

I have to be DBS ( disclosure and barring service ) checked. This only because l am.on the PCC . I have no contact directly with children or vulnerable adults . Any other church member who , in whatever role , does come into contact with those groups has to be DBS checked as well .

Each church has a safeguarding officer who is to be informed about any suspicion of wrong doing so that records can be kept and appropriate people informed .

Abuse of any kind , including spousal abuse , is taken very seriously.

Jan

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which Translation Now?

by enoughisenough in

for those of you who still respect the bible, which translation/s are you using now?

why?.

jhine

Fisherman ' it is reasonable to assume " , have you never heard the saying that to assume makes an ass out of you and me ?

There is zero evidence that the Divine name was in the NT .

Jan