mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.
shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.
mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.
PetrW l don't understand your comment about the command form of the verb ' to love ' . Why would being told to love cause deaths ?
I genuinely don't get it .
Also l don't think that outlawing mandated shunning is the same as forcing people to love .
Jan from Tam
mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.
shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.
mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.
I agree Vanderhoven.
MeanMrMustard l do see your point but if the Watchtower removes the rules about shunning then the die hards will stop doing it , because as you say they just follow the rules . That will save many people a lot of misery.
I've never been shunned but the thought of being cut off from loved ones is heartbreaking. Anything that prevents someone from going through that nightmare has to be worth considering.
Jan from Tam.
mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.
shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.
mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.
I fully understand that Lee . I was confused by NotFormer's post indicating that the campaign is called " shunning is a crime " and talking about sloppy wording . I was pointing out that actually the campaign is against mandated shunning, as in people being FORCED to shun . Which l thought was clear from the wording of your OP .
Jan from Tam.
mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.
shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.
mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.
Am l missing something here ? The words MANDATED SHUNNING is in capital letters 6 times in the OP . I looked at the website and it clearly says that it's mandated shunning that it proposes to outlaw.
Jan from Tam
mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.
shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.
mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.
I don't think that making forced shunning illegal would take away an individual's rights to avoid people they don't like .
It would simply stop people like the GB of the Org. from forcing people to shun against their will .
It won't mean that people can be forced to associate with someone they don't trust or like or have nothing in common with .
Jan from Tam.
even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).
i still belive this is the truth.
i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.
I don't think that Sue really wants answers. I'm starting to suspect that she is trying to bring us all into the Org.
I noted before, and will again , every time she gets argument against the Org ( or even good reasoning) she ignores all the advice that she " asked " for and starts another thread .
Jan from Tam
what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?
i know it changed.
pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".
Going off piste for moment, Sue what do you think of the 1975 debacle? Does that show that the Org. are false prophets ?
Most people on here are out of the Watchtower, some because of the false prophecies.
Back on piste what on earth has anyone's finances got to do with the GB ?
Jan from Tam
hi i want to tell my story and get advice.
i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.
i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.
I've just checked and l joined roughly 11 years ago so , yes , it would be after you left .
Jan from Tam
hi i want to tell my story and get advice.
i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.
i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.
Tonus I thought that there were always two different Watchtowers . Comments on here puzzled me so l asked the question and was told that the study one is different from the less controversial public issue .
Jan from Tam
hi i want to tell my story and get advice.
i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.
i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.
From this site l became aware that the Watchtower that is sold to the public is very different to the study Watchtower. I also found out about Theocratic Warfare so l tested it out.
I was talking to two JW ladies many years ago and , pointing to the Watchtower one of them was holding, asked " so this is what you use in your meetings at the Kingdom Hall ? "
The older lady immediately answered yes . The other lady must have seen my face and quickly said " no the one we use to study is different "
It was only because l obviously knew differently that l got the truth.
One incident that was upsetting was while talking to another JW at my door l mentioned this and quoted the Scripture about Satan being the father of all lies and asked how she felt about that. She literally ran from my door crying. I had obviously touched a nerve and l suppose cognitive dissonance came into play .
She knew l was correct, she couldn't deny the Scripture but couldn't face that the Org. could be wrong .
Sue if you are reading this that is brainwashing at it's best.
Jan from Tam.
