Posts by jhine

"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

" (col. 1:15-17, for context.

jhine

Ok , got to be honest most of the posts on this thread have been very long so l have skimmed through . However l have got the general gist of the discussion.

So a bit of digging later this is my contribution. Before Jesus , the man , was born the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo identified the Angel of the Lord in the OT with the Logos, the Word of God . Now obviously John describes Jesus as the Word ( Logos )

Was John familiar with the idea that the Angel of the Lord being the Logos ? We don't know but his wording , pardon the pun , is interesting

Justin Martyr believed that the man who wrestled Jacob was the Angel of the Lord . Jacob claimed that he had seen God face to face. Now Jesus said that no one had seen the Father only the son . So Justin's reasoning was that it was God the Son who Jacob saw .

I believe that the general thought in the WT is that the teaching of the Trinity came at the Council of Nicea . However Justin lived from 100ad to 165ad so the ideas of at least two people in the Godhead and the Divinity of Christ were around long before that.

Jan from Tam

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Punkofnice

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does anyone know how punky is ?

he hasn't posted in a while ?

jan from tam .

jhine

I know that he was feeling that his time on here was coming to a close. So it appears that he has moved on . Does anyone have contact with him in the real world?

Jan from Tam

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Punkofnice

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does anyone know how punky is ?

he hasn't posted in a while ?

jan from tam .

jhine

Does anyone know how Punky is ? He hasn't posted in a while ?

Jan from Tam

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ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project

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https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

long island business news.

march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.

jhine

Vidiot , so do they ( the GB ) really believe what they preach ? Do they honestly expect to be ruling the world from this place after Armageddon?

Or is there another reason for this project?

Jan from Tam

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Dates and times

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last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .

jhine

I agree that Paul is a bit confusing in his writing.

With regard to 1Cor 7:29 there is some thought that Paul was talking about the duration of an earthly life.

Some bloke called Cornelius a Lapide wrote

" the duration of this life is short so that we may not think of merely enjoying our wives ( and husbands) and the things of this life , but as strangers and sojourner use them for a short time in order to travel better to travel towards that glorious city in which we shall be enrolled as everlasting citizens "

Another way of putting it

" St Paul here is not saying that the end of the world is near he is saying that the time of man here on earth is short and temporary . That man should not be lured by the things of this world for everything on earth is temporary and passes away. "

In Ephesians 6: 1-3 Paul writes

" Children obey your parents in the Lord , for this is right . Honour your Father and Mother- which is the first commandment with a promise - so that it may go well with you and you may enjoy long life on earth "

That doesn't sound like someone who was expecting an imminent end to the world.

So by cherry picking, as is often pointed out on here, you can make a case for lots of things .

The difference with the WT is that they definitively said that the end would come in the Autumn of 1975 , without, as far as l know , any scriptural basis.

Jan from Tam