Hi, first an apostate is simply someone who no longer believes in a faith system that they once believed in , nothing more , nothing less . The Bible says nothing about such people being diseased etc . This is only the spin that the org puts on this quite clearly as part of their mind control system .Yes by labelling people as mentally diseased it plants a barrier in the average JW mind that will keep them away from these people . The org can't have JWs talking to people who have realised TTATT can they?
Posts by jhine
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by inbetween inundoubtely the biggest crime in watchtower world is apostacy.
the upcoming dc apparently has quite some parts on this issue.. recently i read a book from the philosopher hubert schleichert, the title is something like "how to discuss with fundumantelist without loosing your mind".. he goes into fanatics of all kind, and shows, why apostates are so dangerous for any ideology, may it be religious or even political.. the reason: any strong ideology is convinced of possesing the truth.
this creates a problem, since apparantly not everybody accepts this belief or ideology.
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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors
by frankiespeakin inwatch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.
i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.
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jhine
Frankie , sorry to have hi-jacked the thread , but all this has been really useful to me . I will ,if it seems appropriate, mention to my JW friends about this video . They probably haven't seen or heard about this , JWs in Britain seem to be very ignorant about the goings on in America . I am sure that they will not have been informed about the Candace Conti trial . They do seem to be treated like mushrooms "kept in the dark etc" I do need to be careful however about my approach , don't I ? so Ann's imput is really helpful . I need to get my facts straight before saying anything at all , to maintain any credibility that I may or may not have .
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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors
by frankiespeakin inwatch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.
i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.
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jhine
thank you Ann for that detailed reply , and the advice about the prompting of the Holy Spirit , I think that you are right but there are obviously things that I need to learn . I did see my finding this site as a blessing . I was very gung ho in my approach to witnessing to the Witnesses , naive even . Just show them the error of the Watchtower and job done ! Now I know that it is more complicated than that , and I have realised exactly how much of a hold the org has over people and how traumatic it is for people to realise the truth of the situation .
I am a Trinitarian in the traditional Anglican etc mould and I see the hatchet job done in the "Should You Believe In The Trinity " where the teachings of the early Church Fathers is totally twisted as perhaps , to me at least , the saddest part of it all . It seems that even when JWs see TTATT many struggle to overcome this predjudice against Christendom and still see worship as a straight choice between KH or nothing .This seems to leave many in limbo and this is something else that makes me wary sometimes .
To me the Watchtower is guilty of all of the things it accuses Christendom of , covering up child abuse etc, but it just seems so difficult for many people to shake off the attitudes instilled into them for so many years .
I hope to continue to learn and to refine my approach to discussions with Witnesses . It is difficult to understand just how mentally trapped people can be in an emotional prison . Church of England thinking is much more about developing your own relationship with God and Christ and being led by the Holy Spirit , not a whole lot of rules and regs and , to be fair , we can come across as a bit woolly at times in terms of leadership !
Janet
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When You Were A Little Kid, What Did Your Mother Say To Get You To Eat Your Vegetables?
by LoisLane looking for Superman ini hated peas.
my mom would say, "the kids in china are starving.
eat your peas.
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jhine
Not a post about veg , in Britain we have faggots , no not the American type ! Biggish meatballs in gravy . My oldest grandaughter said that she did not like faggots , but decided that" dinosaur eggs " were delicious !
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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors
by frankiespeakin inwatch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.
i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.
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jhine
Hi Ann , first of all appologies for the delay in getting back to you . For various reasons I do not get onto the site at the weekends . Yes that is the study that was used . My friend finished the Bible Teach book ages ago , as I said these two ladies have been coming for years , so they seem to be using the Watchtower studies to try to entice her . It seems that there has not long been a COs visit then B starts suggesting that only she and my friend study together , coincidence ? I presume that B logs her time with my friend and someone must be noticing that things are not progressing .
Ann you say that salvation depends upon faith in a person and I absolutly agree, that is not Watchtower doctrine is it ?. They say that Jesus is not the mediator between all men and God , only the 144,00.. I am right in saying that aren't I ? This is what bothers me when having this argument with myself about whether someone is better off knowing TTATT or not . I have felt that this is something that I have been meant to do , to try to shine a light on some of the dubious teachings of the org for JWs so that they can at last decide on being members while in possession of all the facts . JUst that reading some of the threads and seeing the damage done by the mind control tactics , which some never seem to shake off , it has given me a lot to think about . peoples whole lives (literally ) are at stake in one way or another .
Since realising TTATT how have you progressed spiritually ? Do you mind if I ask how you realised TTATT ?
I am really enjoying our discussions Janet
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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors
by frankiespeakin inwatch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.
i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.
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Hi Ann , my friend did study the What Does The Bible Really Teach book at the start of her studies . The judgement study came from a Watchtower Learn From God's Word section . I do not know which Watchtower but one from this year I think . The two JWs could not make it this week and my friend did not the specific Watchtower at hand . They are using that section from the WT a lot in their studies .
Janet
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United Nations General Assembly Report on Objection to Military Service by Jehovah's Witnesses and others | June 3, 2013
by jwleaks injw leaks has published the june 3, 2013, united nations general assembly analytical report on conscientious objection to military service.. page 3, paragraph 4, of the report states:.
"the following non-governmental organizations responded: the associazione comunita papa giovanni xxiii, the centre for civil and political rights, the european bureau for conscientious objection, the european organisation of military associations, forum 18 news service, the german institute for human rights, human rights watch, the international fellowship of reconciliation, jehovahs witnesses, the quaker united nations office, the russian ngo soldiers mothers of st. petersburg, the union of conscientious objectors, and war resisters international.".
this 17 page report deals substantially with jehovah's witnesses.. .
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jhine
Are they not supposed to have nothing to do with the UN , don't they refer to it as the Scarlet Beast in Revelation ? Even if not officially an NGO still how do they have the nerve to go asking for help off the UN . What would r&f think of that ? Hypocracy at it's best.
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Brought to you by the Watchtower magazine cult: YOUR COMPLETE OVERHAUL
by Terry inare ya fat?
ugly?
stupid?
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jhine
AND HERES ME THINKING THAT ALL HUSBANDS ARE LIKE THAT !!! just joking , no really .
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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors
by frankiespeakin inwatch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.
i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.
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Amen , Ann, I was worried about your reaction and thank God , really , for your thick skin ! I will get some more info and get back to you . Watch this space .
JANET
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the other side of my story and why im going back
by deservingone26 inthere are two parts to this topic you can read one or the other or both if you want, i just figured i post this for differents ones who might being going thru what i am going thru i tried to write this as quick as possible so everything i am posting here is not to offend anyone i know everyone has the own opinions on different things so you can disagree or agree, but this is where i stand.
sorry for any spelling errors or grammar issues up front.
my story .
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I have only just come to this thread , and have not read all the posts , sorry , but some that I have read seem to say that people who believe in Jehovah must be JWs or not be anywhere . Some have said that they have problems with addiction , drugs and alcohol , I missed any that might have mentioned sex ! THERE ARE OTHER CHURCHES . The JW crap about Trinitarian churches is just that crap to stop people from leaving KHs .
YOu will find love , acceptance , and help in most Trinitarian churches , though I am Anglican so a plug for them . I do say most cus I do realise that some churches are not so brill at welcoming newbies , we are still imperfect humans after all !!
JUst wanted to point out that no-one has only a straight choice between KH or nothing Other places of worship are available