I would like to add that surely all Christians are creationists as we all believe in a creator .
So is it more old earth vs young earth ?
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Posts by jhine
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86Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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Wow Sea Breeze , that really surprises me . I would trust someone like Polkinghorne who was a Cambridge professor then became Canon Theologian at Liverpool Cathedral. He and the others mentioned know their stuff and have no reason to lie or " twist facts " .
If it makes no difference to one's faith then l see no problem in believing in evolution. In fact reading their books was quite mind blowing .
I would recommend " Improbable Planet " to people on both sides of the debate .
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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?
by Disillusioned JW inis most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.
https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?
- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.
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As a Christian l am curious as to how many deniers of evolution there are . I don't know any
Is this mainly a JW , Mormon , Deep South Baptist thing ?
I've just finished a book by John Polkinghorne entitled " Theology in the Context of Science" and am part way through another book by Hugh Ross entitled " Improbable Planet "
Polkinghorne was ( he died recently) a professor of mathematical physics at Cambridge and an Anglican Priest .
Ross is a Canadian Astrophysicist.
Francis Collins a physician - geneticist who led the Human Genome Project has also written about science in the context of faith. Notably in the " Language of God " .
All these men are Christians who have no problem merging science and religion
As l said l don't know any Christian who has a problem with this .
The comment above about seeing the creation account as an allegory and how faith has to evolve is pretty spot on . Genesis was written at a time when no one knew about the composition of living things , genetics , the make up of stars etc . It was written for it's time .
Incidentally Polkinghorne points at that actually we ARE all technically stardust . How cool is that?
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Religious groups in UK failing children over sex abuse, report says - BBC News
by ballistic inhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58420270.
this item just featured on the bbc lunchtime news today as the headline story and the piece included a reporter who singled out jehovah's witnesses for discussion from the 30 organisations covered by the report.
the news item then went on to feature an extensive interview ex elder and ex jehovah's witness writer lloyd evans..
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jhine
A little harsh Thomas. I could get quite upset at that slur .
I am an Anglican and the church is taking this problem very seriously. Please don't lump everyone together.
Plus it's not just religious people who cover this stuff up. That goes on in lots of organisations.
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Have you been vaccinated? Have you had any side effects?
by LoveUniHateExams inhi all.. i'm 42 years old.
i have had two jabs of the oxford-astrazeneca vaccine.. after my first jab i experienced flu-like symptoms - shivering, wanted to lie down in a dark room, etc.. i experienced no side effects after my second shot.. how about you?.
how many jabs have you had?.
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jhine
AZ , some cold like symptoms after the first shot nothing after the second.
I know lots of people with much the same experience.
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Why Is Nothing Being Done About Looters?
by minimus inlooting is happening everywhere like never before.
brazen thieves walk into stores and bring a bag with them and simply throw whatever they choose in the bag.
popular chain stores have closed in certain neighborhoods because it’s just not worth it.
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8I do know that you can't walk into any shop and buy a gun with checks being done . However given the amount of mass shootings in the States over the last few years those checks clearly don't stop guns getting into the hands of unstable people.
As l said one mass shooting was enough for us Brits to say that's it , no more innocent people die because of gun ownership .
The figures quoted are for violent crime overall, including domestic abuse, muggings etc . I guarantee that non of those incidents included someone being shot
The reports that you used did say that America has the largest prisoner population of most countries .
Another group of gun victims that l came across were the people killed accidentally by guns .
In 2020 92 children were killed by guns and most often the " killer " was an older sibling usually brother. Then there are the innocent bystanders caught in crossfire.
How the hell does a family recover from the fact that one child has been responsible for the death of another ? How the hell does the shooter live with themselves?
In the UK this just doesn't happen and we want to keep it that way
I looked into rioting and looting and yes going back quite a few years some major cities did experience this , though no shooting because no guns . The trigger was the death of a black man and a lot of damage was done .
The recent protests in London were nothing to do with BLM but were protests against lockdown
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Why Is Nothing Being Done About Looters?
by minimus inlooting is happening everywhere like never before.
brazen thieves walk into stores and bring a bag with them and simply throw whatever they choose in the bag.
popular chain stores have closed in certain neighborhoods because it’s just not worth it.
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jhine
Fedup Walmart sells guns .
To blame the more recent rise in knife crime on the 1997 gun ban doesn't work . There has been a rise in knife deaths in the last few years but that's nothing to do with the 97 ban . If there was a direct correlation then knife crime would have shot up in 1998 .
Also you are still less likely to be stabbed in the UK than in the US . It's not a big percentage difference tbh but still less likely. You are a LOT less likely to be shot in the UK than in America .
After a mass shooting took place in a school in Dunblane Scotland the public called for an enquiry into how the gunman got hold of a weapon. There was a petition with 750 000 signatures calling for even tighter gun control .
The fact is the UK has much less violent crime than America . Any look at any given statistics confirms that.
Gun violence breeds gun violence
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Why Is Nothing Being Done About Looters?
by minimus inlooting is happening everywhere like never before.
brazen thieves walk into stores and bring a bag with them and simply throw whatever they choose in the bag.
popular chain stores have closed in certain neighborhoods because it’s just not worth it.
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jhine
Yes we have a problem with knife crime , as to the stats l will check that. Your previous post implied that the UK and other European countries had worst gun crime than the US which isn't right .
Someone with a knife is unlikely to commit multiple murders like those seen all to often in the US with mass shootings too easy to perpetrate with automatic weapons.
Unfortunately kitchen knives can be used to kill or maim so the banning of knives would be impossible .
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Why Is Nothing Being Done About Looters?
by minimus inlooting is happening everywhere like never before.
brazen thieves walk into stores and bring a bag with them and simply throw whatever they choose in the bag.
popular chain stores have closed in certain neighborhoods because it’s just not worth it.
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jhine
I'm not sure where those facts come from but l have been doing some digging which underlines my own experience of life in the UK .
The figures for gun murders in the US compared to the UK are much the same wherever you look . There are far more gun murders in America than Britain .
Roughly 4.46 per 100000 US compared to 0.02 UK deaths .
Brits don't like guns , don't own guns and are largely bemused by the American obsession with them .
I would have no idea where to buy a gun . The fact that in America they are readily available in supermarkets is just weird to Brits . Guns simply do not figure in the British psyche.
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Why Is Nothing Being Done About Looters?
by minimus inlooting is happening everywhere like never before.
brazen thieves walk into stores and bring a bag with them and simply throw whatever they choose in the bag.
popular chain stores have closed in certain neighborhoods because it’s just not worth it.
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jhine
I have just realised Black Lives Matter? Doh 🙄 . As l said it's only America with the particular issues being discussed .
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