Posts by jhine

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

jhine

Punky, it's been said ( and repeated by me ) that the way the Org has been set up is such that anyone leaving it will lose faith.

Some , like you , do try mainstream churches but even then most seem to end up atheistic. As l said elsewhere it's an " if we can't have you , no one will " attitude .

Thomas, you seem good at dropping into threads , being caustic to people then moving on . Will you explain to me which place of ignorance l was coming from when l asked about JW healthcare in America. I would like to be put right if l was wrong in my assumptions.

Also l am curious as to which bits of JW doctrine you do find correct as you seem to want to defend the Org. against criticism while criticising it yourself .

Jan .

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

jhine

Abraham1 having looked at the verse that you questioned in the interlinear 2 Tim : 3-l6 l feel that it can support what you say is the wrong translation. I won't say that taking it alone it does support it but it could .

Jan

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

jhine

I think that this says it nicely . Hence we are saved by faith to do good works .The WT pushes this idea that salvation is earned because it helps them demand total obedience to the Org. It suits their agenda to keep people scared that they aren't " good enough " if they don't do everything that they are told to do . Jan

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

jhine

No Thomas, l don't know and l don't yet know why you told me that l was coming from a place of ignorance on another thread . I did ask and would like to know , as l said l am happy to be put right .

Jan

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

jhine

Can l.put my two penny worth in here with Eph 2: vs8-20 .

" For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the Gift of God - NOT by works , so that no one can boast. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to DO good works , which God prepared in advance for us to do ".

NIV caps mine . We are saved by faith .

Also l totally agree about all the " others" added to the NWT to completely change the meaning . Simply to back up their non Trinitarian teaching.

Jan

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

jhine

truth_be_known , exactly right . The whole premise of the WT when it discredits other religions ( Christianity) is so that when people realise TTATT they have been so brainwashed about Trinitarian faith groups in particular that although they have seen the WT to be a liar they still believe what they are told about this . A " if we can't have you no one will " attitude.

Thomas l bet that everything that you think that you know about Christendom is what you have learned from the WT , therefore the GB that you say you no longer trust .

All the Anti - Christendom " facts " that you have learnt have come from the pens of the GB writing team .

You seem to be encouraging people to think independently, which is great . Just how much truly independent research have you done into the doctrines of other faith groups. Do you still only read WT literature on the subject because of the suspicion that they have embedded in you about reading non JW sources?

Jan

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

jhine

So going to a church , like wot l do , is out then ?

84

Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

jhine

So where should they go if they are too knowledgeable about the WT to stay in ?

Jan

84

Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

jhine

So you feel that when people become disenchanted with WT for whatever reason then they shouldn't lose their faith in God ? Do you think that they should stay in The Truth whatever they find out about it ?

Jan

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JW healthcare

by jhine in

given that us healthcare isn't free at point of contact and people have to pay for insurance, which can be expensive and is often linked to employment how do jws get on ?

if they are encouraged to take low paid or part time jobs so l assume don't get good healthcare insurance from their jobs .

how do they cope with medical bills?

jhine

Lamallcool thank you , no l have never been a Witness. I would like to know where l am wrong though . I'm happy to learn .

AnonyMous why do European Witnesses need to rely on homeopathy? In the UK we have the NHS where they can get healthcare free at point of contact . Other European countries all have similar healthcare systems . No need for insurance tied to employment , co-pays etc .

Jan