Posts by jhine

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

I posted earlier on that JWs believe that when someone leaves or is thrown out then that person will not survive Armageddon. So the believe that they must use any means to get that person back into the truth . That it is the loving thing to do , being cruel to be kind as the saying goes . So maybe they haven't been forced to shun but the brainwashing of the WT leads them to conclude that it's what they need to do to save the apostate. It is only by being in the WT truth that eternal life is attained.

The manipulation is very clever and crafty . However the finding of " new light " could be encouraged by sanctions such as loss of charitable status.

Jan from Tam

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

So , if a member of someone's family does something that warrants shunning and their family doesn't shun would there be no comeback on them ? Or does that depend on individual Kingdom Halls and the elders ? Can people be punished for not shunning?

Also I have always understood that JWs are told that because someone is outside of the Truth then they are doomed . So by shunning the " wrongdoer " to force them back into the Truth they are being loving .

Surely that is mind control at work and takes the guilt out of shunning if you can tell yourself that you are doing it for the ultimate good of person being shunned.

I suspect that if told that they will lose privileges then the WT would feel " new light " coming on .

Jan from Tam

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

LUHE , it does seem to be the best way to deal with this. Hit them where it hurts , in their pockets .

I don't believe that ending Mandated shunning would mean that people would have to talk to someone if they don't want to . It just gives the individual the power to make their own choices , and not to have to shun out of fear of being shunned themselves.

Isn't that what everyone wants ? The ability to make their own choices.

Jan from Tam

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

PetrW l don't understand your comment about the command form of the verb ' to love ' . Why would being told to love cause deaths ?

I genuinely don't get it .

Also l don't think that outlawing mandated shunning is the same as forcing people to love .

Jan from Tam

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

I agree Vanderhoven.

MeanMrMustard l do see your point but if the Watchtower removes the rules about shunning then the die hards will stop doing it , because as you say they just follow the rules . That will save many people a lot of misery.

I've never been shunned but the thought of being cut off from loved ones is heartbreaking. Anything that prevents someone from going through that nightmare has to be worth considering.

Jan from Tam.

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

I fully understand that Lee . I was confused by NotFormer's post indicating that the campaign is called " shunning is a crime " and talking about sloppy wording . I was pointing out that actually the campaign is against mandated shunning, as in people being FORCED to shun . Which l thought was clear from the wording of your OP .

Jan from Tam.

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

Am l missing something here ? The words MANDATED SHUNNING is in capital letters 6 times in the OP . I looked at the website and it clearly says that it's mandated shunning that it proposes to outlaw.

Jan from Tam

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Mandated Shunning is a Crime

by Lee Marsh in

mandated shunning is on the rise around the world with devastating effects on millions of people.

shunning that is mandated by organized groups to its members is a form of both physical and psychological violence against those people being shunned and cut off from their family and life-long relationships.

mandated shunning means that the shunning is ordered from the top down.

jhine

I don't think that making forced shunning illegal would take away an individual's rights to avoid people they don't like .

It would simply stop people like the GB of the Org. from forcing people to shun against their will .

It won't mean that people can be forced to associate with someone they don't trust or like or have nothing in common with .

Jan from Tam.

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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?

by TxNVSue2023 in

even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

i still belive this is the truth.

i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.

jhine

I don't think that Sue really wants answers. I'm starting to suspect that she is trying to bring us all into the Org.

I noted before, and will again , every time she gets argument against the Org ( or even good reasoning) she ignores all the advice that she " asked " for and starts another thread .

Jan from Tam

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Retirement savings

by TxNVSue2023 in

what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

i know it changed.

pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

jhine

Going off piste for moment, Sue what do you think of the 1975 debacle? Does that show that the Org. are false prophets ?

Most people on here are out of the Watchtower, some because of the false prophecies.

Back on piste what on earth has anyone's finances got to do with the GB ?

Jan from Tam