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ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project
by AndersonsInfo in
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https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

long island business news.

march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.
jhine

Vidiot , so do they ( the GB ) really believe what they preach ? Do they honestly expect to be ruling the world from this place after Armageddon?
Or is there another reason for this project?
Jan from Tam
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Dates and times
by jhine in
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2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

I agree that Paul is a bit confusing in his writing.
With regard to 1Cor 7:29 there is some thought that Paul was talking about the duration of an earthly life.
Some bloke called Cornelius a Lapide wrote
" the duration of this life is short so that we may not think of merely enjoying our wives ( and husbands) and the things of this life , but as strangers and sojourner use them for a short time in order to travel better to travel towards that glorious city in which we shall be enrolled as everlasting citizens "
Another way of putting it
" St Paul here is not saying that the end of the world is near he is saying that the time of man here on earth is short and temporary . That man should not be lured by the things of this world for everything on earth is temporary and passes away. "
In Ephesians 6: 1-3 Paul writes
" Children obey your parents in the Lord , for this is right . Honour your Father and Mother- which is the first commandment with a promise - so that it may go well with you and you may enjoy long life on earth "
That doesn't sound like someone who was expecting an imminent end to the world.
So by cherry picking, as is often pointed out on here, you can make a case for lots of things .
The difference with the WT is that they definitively said that the end would come in the Autumn of 1975 , without, as far as l know , any scriptural basis.
Jan from Tam
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Does The WT Keep Files On ExJW Activists?
by NotFormer in
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2. scandals
it occurred to me that the wt, if they can identify the activists that are currently campaigning against them, would have a lot of ability to compile detailed dossiers on them.

once identified, the elders of the appropriate congregation could be asked to forward copies of all their membership details held locally.. would they do that, and do such dossiers exist?.

(there are probably data collection rules governing such things in a lot of countries, but by no stretch of the imagination could the wt be considered a good corporate citizen).
jhine

Well l am neither an ex JW or deep thinker but it would be nice if the observations of an outsider in some way contributed to making a pimi have doubts . Jan from Tam
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Dates and times
by jhine in
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2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

Yes Phizzy that's my take on it . I think that we always need to keep in mind that the letters were to specific congregations addressing the particular problems that they were experiencing. Some were internal disputes and behaviour, some external like persecution.
Jan from Tam
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Dates and times
by jhine in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

I have just reread that chapter and Paul mentions ' this present crisis ' not a near future apocalypse
He also says that if you do marry you do no wrong . Just that it MIGHT be better not to given " this present crisis '
Jan from Tam.
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Dates and times
by jhine in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

Ernest , the only reason that those people sold their homes was because the WT convinced them that , as you say , they were in the last remaining months.
So when it all went wrong the WT should have apologised and made reparation
The WT couldn't have KNOWN this as people believed because it didn't happen.
Are you sure that no money was donated to the Org ? Any else want to say anything here ?
Jan from Tam
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Dates and times
by jhine in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

Westiebilly11 l am really not sure about your assertion that the WT haven't deceived anyone. What about 1975 wasn't that deception ?
They could not have KNOWN this because it didn't happen. You must know that faithful JWs sold houses and cars to donate the money to preaching work . Then when it didn't happen none of the money was paid back .
You ask why would they do that , which was my question. So perhaps l have answered, in part at least , mine and your question.
It's not just JWs who have done this of course. So maybe that is one motivation, getting money from followers.
Jan from Tam
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Dates and times
by jhine in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

Thanks Carla , l will read through this .
When the question was asked at my study group my answer was that it ( setting dates ) is about control .
Saying to followers that you dare not leave us now because Armageddon is coming . You don't want to chance being on the wrong side.
Is that too simplistic ?
Jan from Tam
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Dates and times
by jhine in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

Dio , yes it is Tamworth in Staffordshire are you close?
Jan from Tam.
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Dates and times
by jhine in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
last night at my bible study group we looked at 1thessalonians ch 5 .

we have been working through the whole letter.

verses 1-11 start with .
jhine

So did the 1975 date come from as far back as then. ?
Jan from Tam