Posts by jhine

"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

" (col. 1:15-17, for context.

jhine

Ok , got to be honest most of the posts on this thread have been very long so l have skimmed through . However l have got the general gist of the discussion.

So a bit of digging later this is my contribution. Before Jesus , the man , was born the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo identified the Angel of the Lord in the OT with the Logos, the Word of God . Now obviously John describes Jesus as the Word ( Logos )

Was John familiar with the idea that the Angel of the Lord being the Logos ? We don't know but his wording , pardon the pun , is interesting

Justin Martyr believed that the man who wrestled Jacob was the Angel of the Lord . Jacob claimed that he had seen God face to face. Now Jesus said that no one had seen the Father only the son . So Justin's reasoning was that it was God the Son who Jacob saw .

I believe that the general thought in the WT is that the teaching of the Trinity came at the Council of Nicea . However Justin lived from 100ad to 165ad so the ideas of at least two people in the Godhead and the Divinity of Christ were around long before that.

Jan from Tam

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Punkofnice

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does anyone know how punky is ?

he hasn't posted in a while ?

jan from tam .

jhine

I know that he was feeling that his time on here was coming to a close. So it appears that he has moved on . Does anyone have contact with him in the real world?

Jan from Tam

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Punkofnice

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does anyone know how punky is ?

he hasn't posted in a while ?

jan from tam .

jhine

Does anyone know how Punky is ? He hasn't posted in a while ?

Jan from Tam