the new new world translation translates jeremiah 29:10 as follows:.
10 for this is what jehovah says, when 70 years at babylon are ful?lled, i will turn my attention to you, and i will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.. the official watch tower society teaching is that by the end of the 70 years, the jews were back in judea, and that their actual arrival in judea marks the end of the "70 years".
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Insightful.
While not an expert at the 1914 controversy, it seems both biblically and secularly there are things that haven't been adressed, and things ascribed as unsurmountable that could have several possible explanations.
SFTW, why is 1914 so important to the JW belief system?
It was very good. I wish i would have sprung for 3D. I am sure it was even better.
the new new world translation translates jeremiah 29:10 as follows:.
10 for this is what jehovah says, when 70 years at babylon are ful?lled, i will turn my attention to you, and i will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.. the official watch tower society teaching is that by the end of the 70 years, the jews were back in judea, and that their actual arrival in judea marks the end of the "70 years".
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I welcome more. It means they are popping onto the internet more, and feelign bold. i dig it. Lets talk!
just curious.
I haven't looked into it. i insure my employees. I am going to start researching. So far, my current insurance plan seems to be hot garbage. I will get a better one, but most likely it will be a mess of money. I am souring on this ACA in its current incarnation.
i had a chance to drop a bomb on a 'bro' that i have known many years.
you should'a been there.. (this is the second time in less than 2 months i have dropped this particular bomb on a bro and in this manner).
before i tell the story, which you will enjoy, note that i have remained "in" the org for many years after finding out the ttatt.. 1) for the sake of family (limited time left).
"in our day".....not much better, but I suppose it has right of deniability.
page 12 of the january 1,1989 wt original magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".
(a subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d.).
this sentence is changed in the bound volume reprint to read "a work that would be completed in our day.
I shared something similar with my BIL once. He clearly didn't like what he saw, but said they had an adjustment in understanding after the original article, and so didn't want to "confuse the friends".
I asked if if he changes notes in school without sourcing or explaining what happens......its considered wrong and you probably get an F on your paper.
What a mess.
i really don't like people disparaging active jws on this site by calling them stupid, idiots, morons and that, and making out like they're willing puppets to the gb or cruel at heart.
or describing them like they're puke or as having no desire to learn or listen.. to you, all these things may be true.
we all have opinions and are entitled to them.
I confess that I felt better than other people at times. I liked the limelight of the stage and people telling me how smart and what a great brother i was. I didn't really have any form of serious charity. I treated disfellowshipped people poorly, and if someone was challenging in the ministry, I was an ass. I made excuses for my own behavior while condemning others. I looked down on anyone who left the organization.
I used the word "apostate".......freely.
I regret those things and do them no longer. I try to make sure the kind of man I am moving forward is better than the man I was, and that my son will be an even better one because of the mistakes and lessons his father learned.
I still can't celebrate Christmas. I mean.......come on right?
the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.
i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.
so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.
I'm sorry it took me so long to respond.
You said....
Problem,
You wrote: kicking the men out of your home for perverting the word of God after you invited them in and they came back.....was a dick move.
Those two were almost certainly not coming back again anyway. And I had just read them Paul's words saying those who preach a Good News different from that which the apostles preached are to be condemned. So I codemned them for doing it. I wanted to impress upon them the seriousness of what they were doing, corrupting the Good News of Jesus Christ.
The truth is, I didn't want to talk to either of them again anyway until they considered the possibility that they were following false teachers. And I told them that. I showed them some "tough love" and that is exactly what I think they both needed.
Hello CG,
While I still consider myself a Christian, I am probably making peace more with the loss of the religion of my youth, than I am making a bridge to my creator. So i would say, I'm leaning agnostic. I think your actions were not "tough love", but self fullfilling. Don't take that as an insult please. You are human like everyone else. You have neither the ability nor authority to condemn anyone. I doubt very much that wratcheting up the rhetoric in the end did anything but strengthen their resolve when they went back and were eased in conscience by the Watchtower librarys retort on the matter.
I was once a JW apologist. You know what stuck in my head? The kindness and LOGIC of those i spoke with in tandem. Some things I defended, bu the arguement stuck in the back of my mind. The way of the zealot is not the way to convery JW's to your religion or away from theres. An olive branch and kindness in the moment of cognative dissonance can prove much more effective than the boot in the ass.
Jus tmy thoughts of course. i am sure you acted in accord with your conscience.
so... i should have commented on the thread on dating a fader.. i am a fader, and my girlfriend is just... she doesn't care much for jw's... she wants to be with me, and while we are together we ignore all jw rules.
last night, for example, we celebrated halloween.. there's a problem, though, and i need your help.. again, i will explain the cities:.
city a: where my parents (and now i) live.
ILT,
Do you feel comfortable sharing you and your girlfiends approx ages? Hard to give advise not knowing that.
i just got in from my daughters homecoming(she is a cheerleader and these guys make a huge deal out of this stuff).
they play 3 football games of various age groups.
it starts at 8 in the morning and just ended at 1:30. i just got in the house literally 5 minutes ago and i had to share.
SFTW......here is what you are suggesting went through the persons mind who from a distance sees a tarp and some well dressed people sitting behind signs. Oh and wasn't that sweet of them to not cause a "safety problem" by setting up loser. Was that for real man?
Person at park.
"La di da. Kids in the bouncy house. Check. Blanket set up.....check. Prayers to Satan finished....check."
"Wait, i wonder if I should eb praying to Jesus instead like my church tells me to do. Maybe there is a better way? Hark yonder, there is a table with some sign about God. I can't tell if there are people there. If there are, surely I should go and speak to them about what their preconceived ideas of God are! But....wait.....if I do so.....surely they will want me to change my terrible lifestyle of taking my children out for a community event on Saturdays. Or maybe they will want me to give up my middle class lifestyle! Oh my, I can't have that. No its better I think if I just leave those people who probably have lifes answers alone. Now I'm all flustered. back to my prayer (mutters*....oh Dark Lord, king of brussel sprouts.....)
(sarcasm)
Just a little joke SFTW. However, 16 hours, ZERO people t talk to, and not in a high volume area. This was crossing hours off. Nothing more. We have all seen it. We have all been there. There are zealous JW's who really get into the preaching work, but they are the minority. To defend this particular revelation is a bit disingenuous. Its not like you "admit defeat" by saying hey yeah these guys eally seem to have missed the point that day. Hopefully thats not their normal service routine.
I say the same thing about JW apologists and ex-JW's......the easiest way to dismiss someone as a mental hack is to see wether or not they aregue EVERY point of contention in favor or against a group.
