Here is what trips me out. 1975 was a mess. Clearly. But in the 80's and 90's JW's grew quite a bit. I figure if 1975 didn't bring it all down in a more modern age, then there are certain people who will jsut believe anything, and that is it. Nothing can be done.
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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations
by flipper inhowever- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.
just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.
to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .
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My terminally ill friend will read this; please offer your love and support.
by compound complex indear friends:.
forty-five years ago i was out in service with an elder, and we came upon a house where the owners kindly received us.
this was not so unusual as the family was jehovah's witnesses.
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problemaddict
I have family fighting similar fights. Keep on fighting man.
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Julia's Inquisition - Two elders, the full version! I want you all to see this.
by Julia Orwell insorry it's gonna be long winded.
i've done my best to reconstruct from memory.
my husband was next to me the whole time.
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problemaddict
It is still mind blowing to me that it is legal to DF someone who has not commited "sin", but rather just expresses doubts int he veracity of truth, that the organization itself admits to.
I mean, it is just mental gymnastics on another level. I think you handled it well. The "loyalty question" as we have come to know it, ALWAYS comes up. I spoke to my brother a few months ago, and he even reverted right to this line of thinking.
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A question for those that have been around this board for a long time
by JeffT inmy wife and i stopped going to meetings in 1988 and da'd in 1989. for a few years we both actively participated in the xjw world, she quit doing that a long time ago, and has pretty much completely moved on.
the other night i told her about my planned blog (which will probably launch this weekend) it will mostly be about my writing, a lot of which is mostly about jw related issues.
she asked why i am still so drawn to this subject.
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I'm new, but one day I will not be. Community needs no explanation. It just exists. I am thankful there is a place like this because it is an outlet for many, an educational source for many, and it CONSTANTLY is proving the society wrong by showing that "apostates" are not mentally diseased, but unselfish with their time, research, and caring for others.
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THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD:: TODAY's WT Paragraph 16
by Lied2NoMore inhere is what got my spidey senses tingling: paragraph 16, reference to daniel p mannix book, was wondering if his statement was mis-quoted so i did my research.......but was even more shocked when i saw this: .
from amazon dot com reviews................ probably the most provocative work of historical fiction published this century,"those who are about to die" is pure mannix at his best.
a uncensured exploration of what likely took place in the circuses of ancient rome.
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problemaddict
I think all we really need to know is if there is coroborating evidence that his statement which is oft quoted here regarding the fire, is accurate or not. Any Roman historians in the building?
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THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD:: TODAY's WT Paragraph 16
by Lied2NoMore inhere is what got my spidey senses tingling: paragraph 16, reference to daniel p mannix book, was wondering if his statement was mis-quoted so i did my research.......but was even more shocked when i saw this: .
from amazon dot com reviews................ probably the most provocative work of historical fiction published this century,"those who are about to die" is pure mannix at his best.
a uncensured exploration of what likely took place in the circuses of ancient rome.
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problemaddict
Yeah lets not jump to conclusions guys. Even if it is historical fiction, historical fiction is usually based on real events. i think we are more concern with the actual claims made and wether they are accurate, that what % of the book is fiction and what is not.
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Discussion with family member who is an Elder in our congregation
by Newly Enlightened inso about a week ago, i showed my cousin & her husband [an elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study wt and asked, "if jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?".
after several minutes of searching, dead silence.. i then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 summer district conv the part about "our spiritual mother, where the c.o said that "the bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself.
" they were shocked and said that i must have misheard it because that would be apostasy.
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problemaddict
Yeah bringing that up is just typical JW drama. You don't need it, and they won't care. JW drama liek that almost feeds these type of guys. You stepped in in with cousin elder, BUT......you ONLY talked to him. They need two witnesses to mess with you. So don't meet with them, and if you feel like you have to, just nod politely and tell them nothing.
If you don't think you can do that, than don't meet with them.
You can be the architect of your own demise, or the orchestrator of your freedom. Its all on you and your self control. Its hard itsn't it. :)
It gets easier!
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gonna write my annulment letter
by QueenWitch ini know it may not mean anything to the boys in brooklyn but it's therapeutic.
thinking of sending in on the anniversary of my dunking, may 30.. i hereby declare my baptism null and void on the primary grounds that i took this action before i reached the legal age of consent.
secondary grounds include lack of full disclosure of the terms involved.
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problemaddict
I say you need to do what you need to do for your own mental health. Especially if you are currently kicked out, it really doesn't do anything I suppose to hinder you. I honestly still don't see a reason for people to get themselves removed. It just accomplishes nothing really. Unless of course, everyone who comes here and is having doubts or wants to throw in the towel had a DAOF THE YEAR that they just cut off and wrote a letter.
Actually......that might be a great thing to do. Some day of the year that the ex and fading community makes a mark on every year. Letters to the branch, DA letters, baptismal annulmants, requests for records, etc....
Thoughts?
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To those still "in"... how do these scriptures impact you?
by leaving_quietly inmatt 7:13, 14: "go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14?whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.".
matt 24:44: "on this account you too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that you do not think to be it, the son of man is coming.".
2 pet 3:3, 4: "for you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires 4?and saying: where is this promised presence of his?
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"few are the one finding it".
I always find the application of this sentance interesting. I guess we could just look for the smallest group of Christians and follow them? Wait but I thought the small would be come amighty nation. Can a mighty nation be the "few" finding the narrow road?
Its important to know, that even if you believe the bible to be inspired from God, it was still written by people. So they wrote in the style of the time. Hyperbole was rampant in jewish literature. So try not to take everything so literally. Regardless, you know what Jesus taught....and what he doesn't. So do what he taught, and don't do what he didn't. :)
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Korah's Parable
by DT ini was doing some research when i found korah's parable on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/korah.
korah incited all the people against moses, arguing that it was impossible to endure the laws instituted by the latter.
he told them the following parable: "a widow, the mother of two young daughters, had a field.
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problemaddict
Ummmmm. Am I the only one looking these verses up?