Posts by Simon

Once that flotilla of lawyers arrives, there's no hope left. They will burn the ships as they storm the beaches, slaughtering all in their way. The mighty Legions of Lloyd will sweep all before them ...

Or he'll just keep huffing and puffing on Twitter.

Personally, I can't wait for his first "look at me everyone, I hath returned!" video, the comments section is going to be a shit-show. And he's got that 2nd coming-of-christ beard thing going on, and also seems to genuinely believe he's the new Jebus (especially all the "hanging round with hookers" bit).

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

This one had me howling:

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

FYI: I did not type that last post. I can't go into details, but I can't control my penis and I'm a clever dick.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

"I'm suing all of you, all of you I tell you! Just wait and see, I have a whole squadron of legal people circling the area, ready to release their payload. No one will survive my armada of lawyers! Also, I'm total sane and should be believed."

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

I disagree in some respects that people who run boards like this one, or JW facts or other resources, are not an important part of waking people up.

It's importance is nothing todo with the forum, or anything I post (if anything, I'm a negative asset, LOL) - the value is in all the personal stories that people share and the willingness of many to hang-around to help others by answering questions, sharing their own experiences (which I think is the most powerful aid in making people realize that "it's not just me / my congregation") and simply being there to say "it's OK, you will get over this, life will get better!"

I saw a comment somewhere (maybe it was on Twitter) about how things go wrong when money is involved, because it easily corrupts things for people who can't control themselves. Don't get me wrong, things cost money, and there's nothing wrong with trying to make something self-sustaining or accepting help from people to cover costs. But when your motivation clearly becomes the commercialization of "advocacy" I think there is a real danger that you are no longer there to serve, you're there to profit from other people. All along Lloyd appears to have used the hard work of others (that they don't get paid for) and used it for his own personal profit and advancement.

The fact that he then kicked people down when they were no further use to him or dared to question him or not support him as much as he thought they should proves to me that he doesn't really care about anyone or any cause, it's just a personal ego trip and money making endeavour.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

plus the way he has marginalised and bullied others going back years, including victims

This has almost been the most shocking revelation to me (I mean, yeah, the hookers-for-years with no shame thing is still unbelievable) but the idea that someone calls themselves an advocate, and raises money of victims stories, and then turns round and bullies those victims if they dare to question something or object to their story being used?

That right there is why anyone donating money is NOT supporting victims by doing so. If anything it is aiding abuse.

Sad that these people were silenced by him and others on his bidding.

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Are Jehovahs Witnesses a cult?

by GoverningBody in

this question has been presented many times throughout the years.

somewhat recently, there has been much talk surrounding the "bite method" :.

"bite” stands for behavior, information, thought, and emotional control.. some examples were thrown at me, such as the decisions of who we associate with, discouraging any worldy media, encouraging our brothers and sisters to report any of our misbehaviours to the elders, our rejection of criticism on the truth, shunning etc.. what do we think about this?.

Simon

The trouble with some of these definitions of a cult is that half of corporate America would be classed as cults.

Seriously, they all have their own language, terms for their employees (which is never just "employees") and you better be singing the company song in the daily standup meeting or else there will be a question-mark against your name for the level of commitment you're showing.

Many groups of humans end up exhibiting the same behaviors. Those that commit themselves more to the "org" get ahead, those who don't are viewed with suspicion. Those that are elevated gain power and influence, and inevitably mis-use it.

This is every company, every government department, every religion and crime syndicate ever.

But sure, people want to shout "CULT!" as though it accomplishes something. What exactly does it do? Other than make mainstream people think that we're full of hyperbole, because those nice people in suits and dresses aren't like those Heavens Gate people or the Jonestown group at all ...

The word cult means something, and it can't be the end of the spectrum that has its members kill themselves and their children.

Calling JWs a cult smacks of desperation to label them as worse than they are.

Why not simply prosecute them for the harm they do, in a factual way, which will be far more convincing. They are a high-control group. They adversely affect family relationships. They coverup abuses that happen in their ranks to protect their image. Heck, they have people spend far too much of their free time promoting their religion than working to care for their families.

There's plenty to go at without jumping the shark and trying to make out they are the Massive Manson Family.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

If someone clicked on his links or his website, just like coming here, they ALREADY have doubts and are already somewhat dissatisfied with the JW's.

Exactly. People rescue themselves, they are the ones that wake up and start questioning things - typically in response to something that the WTS has done to them, or something they have seen in their local congregation.

The idea that "we" save anyone is self-aggrandizing propaganda, all any of us really do is make information available so people can maybe confirm what they are feeling, but I doubt many staunch JWs are ever tuning into apostate videos and by the end re-thinking their life choices.

If it were the case, there would be mass exoduses when major TV programmes about abuse coverups run. But there aren't, and they have little real immediate effect.

And for all this, the harder thing to quantify is how many people who might be having doubts click on something and decide that the person is a nutter or just trying to make money off people rather than freely help them.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Of all things, he chose to question him on 'tight pants'. With all the exJWs that have been hurt by this religion in one way or another, he chooses to that.

Yeah, that was a massive fail and a huge let-off for them. It could have been, should have been, something about child abuse coverups, or families broken by shunning or people dying from refusing blood ... instead it's a massive big nothing burger which completely let them off the hook for anything meaningful.

He fumbled the ball and gave it away ...

Not exactly MVP material.