I think this is a good summary of why Roe vs Wade got overturned (apart from it being legal garbage). The left did this to themselves by pushing for partial-birth abortions:
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173Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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I don't know how late an abortion is allowed in the U.S but in the UK it's only up to 24 weeks unless there's a substantial risk to the Mother's life.
That seems quite sensible to me.
Yes, I think it's the position most people hold, you have to wonder how the US manages to make such a meal of what are really fairly straightforward issues.
It's only because lunatics want to be able to make everything all or nothing, abortion up to the day before birth or it's banned completely. It's done for political reasons of course, which is why it's then promoted and perpetuated into something it isn't, or at least something it shouldn't be, so heavily in the media.
Someone has discovered it can be an election issue and then insists on making it an election issue to fight over. Same with guns. Same with election processed themselves.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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I personally think it's emotive arguing to call the abortion of an embryo baby murdering. I'm not saying it's nothing, something tragically significant has happened but a baby has not been murdered.
Who are you, I or the State to say to woman; "You WILL carry your pregnancy to term whether you want to or not". Does the State OWN women?
I think these two things go together.
An early embryo, even when it's a clump of cells, is a potential person. But it isn't one yet. Until it has a heart and a nervous system, it's more of an appendage of the mother. I don't like the idea of abortions but IMO there's usually plenty of time to have one when it's at a stage that it wouldn't be such a big deal.
So then we're undermining the notion that anyone is forcing the mother to carry to term. But at some point along the way it transitions from a potential human life to an actual new human life, it has a heartbeat, it has a nervous system, it has a brain, it can respond to music and its mothers voice.
At that point it's not the state or anyone else forcing the mother to carry it, she's decided that herself, but I think it's OK to prevent the mother or anyone else from murdering it.
What is missing in all this are the reasons and the idea that it's aborted "just because" demonstrates an intentional lack of data collection. They could easily record for instance when it's unwanted because ... "I broke up with ma boyfriend and want to get back at him". Do I think that's a valid reason? No. I think the state should intervene to protect the life of that unborn human child.
Sensible term limits, and more oversight and "justifiable reason" required as time goes on, to the point that it is only allowed for medical reasons as it gets closer to the end, just seems like something the majority of people could agree on.
If you're wanting an abortion at 28 weeks, why didn't you want one at 18, or 12, or 6 ?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Looking like this...(The beard and jean,) And no watchtower did not soften there dresscode rule for JW.
What about the hair?! He looks like a homeless person who's stolen someone's camera.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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It should be up to each individual woman to decide what she wants to do re abortions.
Why? And for how long?
There has to be limits, unless you are OK with a 9 month old human being executed.
Two people make a baby. Two people should have a say in what happens if it was consensual.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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Ultimately, you can’t force a woman to have a baby grow inside her body. Or maybe the government can force her somehow? I wonder how this is going to play out.
No one is advocating for forced insemination. This is a straw-man.
As you say, there are morning-after pills. Why not take one of those?
A significant number of abortions appear to be dumb people who need better education, so the fault can again be put at the feet of the democrats as it's their teachers unions once again failing kids and causing major issues in society. Most problems have an arrow pointing directly back to them.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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So why don't we feel the same compassion about the pain of chimps? Or Gorillas? Why isn't the killing of them deemed murder? It should be - if you're going to make laws around the 'personhood' of a fetus, capacity to suffer being the deciding factor.
Murder is a distinctly human crime. But I think most people are against the needless killing and avoidable suffering of animals. Sadly, not enough pay attention to cruel factory farming methods or the products they buy (such as those containing palm oil)
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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If you're allowed into the HQ for a guided tour, you may not be quite the "activist" you imagine you are.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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Each state, regardless of the size of its population gets to send two people to the USA Senate. Since urban areas with large populations tend to be more politically liberal than areas with much smaller populations (such as rural areas), political conservatives get more representation in the US Senate than would otherwise be the case.
That protects rural areas from the "tyranny of the majority" where a few large cities would effectively dictate what happens in the entire country, to their benefit.
It's a great system and it's worked.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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It was done using tricks to get certain people into SCOTUS.
It was done using due process instead of mobs, violence and intimidation.
This is the will of the majority, not the whims of the thugs.