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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

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  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  If you don’t accept abortions, you either don’t care about any circumstance that could warrant an abortion or most circumstances.

  Can you point to anyone saying anything remotely like this?

  It's possible to be against abortion in general, the frivolous use of abortion and promotion of abortion as some "wonderful achievement" for political purposes, and simultaneously have sympathy for individual cases where people are in difficult situations.

  One particularly sad group are trafficked women, forced into prostitution, that Planned Parenthood could do more to help and rescue but instead perpetuate their suffering by erasing the "problem" so they can be put back to work.

  Laws should be viewed holistically. Human traffickers should face the death penalty.
  
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  If prostitution is the oldest profession, then performing abortions for those women is probably the second oldest.

  At one time, birth control was difficult and had a high failure rate. And pregnancy & childbirth was dangerous and had a higher death rate.

  But we're in 2022 now, not the 1800's. Things have changed.

  Birth control is surely easier and safer than abortion.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  And, in my opinion, if it does some large percentage of Witnesses will just go find somebody else to run their lives for them

  Exactly, the WTS fills a niche. If they were removed something else just like them would fill that same niche.

  So don't waste your life and energy on a pointless crusade.
  
  
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  with stigma and shame attached.

  Really? I don't think there is any shame for anything nowadays.

  It'd be a tough situation, but make better choices and choose better partners.

  There are lots of stories of people who go through the same thing and stick together and have a wonderful family and child as a result.
  
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  But every government statistic i've found states that less than 1% of abortions take place after 21 weeks and usually for medical reasons. ... Has it ever been done unnecessarily? Probably. But I suspect "late term abortion" is mostly a bogeyman used to appeal to people's emotions.

  Likewise with claims about rape and incest.

  It makes it all the more bizarre that they want to push for this to be allowed, given that it's so rarely necessary. it certainly shouldn't qualify as "elective".

  Viability before 22 weeks is zero. There is no dependability. The body cannot depend on anything and still survive at that stage

  Viability is the wrong thing to talk about. Science changes, and lots of people are not viable without medical care. Can we just kill all them too?

  I think 18 weeks is a safe limit. Plenty of time to make the choice.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  I just hope to see Watchtower collapse soon

  Seriously, stop hoping. It's a waste of energy because it's not going to happen. Spend you hopes on things with actual potential. The people selling this are snake-oil salesmen (possibly deluding themselves, or just haven't thought it all through properly).

  As a thought experiment, can you think of any religious group anywhere close to their size that has simply evaporated to nothing and vanished?
  
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  If someone has an objection to 1st trimester abortion, then it seems that throws the morning after pill out the window as well

  I don't, but it wouldn't. The latter is really preventing a pregnancy starting, as far as I understand, more like "taking root", vs undoing something already started.

  It depends a lot on the definition of "conception" - whether that is sperm meets egg, or fertilized egg sticks to tube (hard to believe I'm not a doctor, right?)

  But either way, I don't see many people arguing against that. Which takes us back to this being something the left did to themselves by pushing the line way past where most decent people think it should be.

  Chopping up just-delivered babies is simply sick and evil and anyone pushing for it should be investigated. Anyone who's done it for a non-medical reason should face the death penalty.
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  Regardless of a person's personal and religious feelings on the subject, the tie-in to the Constitution (i.e. That the right to privacy guaranteed in the 1st, 3rd, 4th & 5th Amendments speaks to the legality of a medical procedure) was fanciful, to put it mildly.

  Exactly, it was piss-poor "legaling" and the original case and ruling were an aberration that has now been corrected. The ruling was aborted you might say.

  You could use that same reasoning to effectively make any crime legal and protected as a right by the state. Getting caught doing anything, including murder, could be ruled a violation of your privacy, but someone else's more fundamental rights take precedence.

  The right to life.
  
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  I think this is a good summary of why Roe vs Wade got overturned (apart from it being legal garbage). The left did this to themselves by pushing for partial-birth abortions:

  https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1540880126576996352
  
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  Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

  it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

  plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

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  I don't know how late an abortion is allowed in the U.S but in the UK it's only up to 24 weeks unless there's a substantial risk to the Mother's life.

  That seems quite sensible to me.

  Yes, I think it's the position most people hold, you have to wonder how the US manages to make such a meal of what are really fairly straightforward issues.

  It's only because lunatics want to be able to make everything all or nothing, abortion up to the day before birth or it's banned completely. It's done for political reasons of course, which is why it's then promoted and perpetuated into something it isn't, or at least something it shouldn't be, so heavily in the media.

  Someone has discovered it can be an election issue and then insists on making it an election issue to fight over. Same with guns. Same with election processed themselves.