If I was in the WTS and anything todo with "strategy" to combat apostates ... I'd suggest the WTS contribute to him via Patreon, as he's so valuable to them.
That's how shit he is as an apostate.
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11530It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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The idea that Ray Franz could in any way be compared to Evans is ludicrous and shameful to even suggest
They do have one thing in common ... they both published "Crisis of Conscience". Of course Lloyds was a stolen version, not the original.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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If Raymond franz had used prostitutes and was a narcissist would it make crisis of conscience any less valuable? It would be a shame they weren’t an upstanding human that we could respect but C OF C would still be accurate and useful
No, it wouldn't, as it would totally discredit the honesty and authenticity of the author and for JWs exiting and making life-changing and family impacting decisions, that matters a lot.
But comparing Lloyd Evens with Raymond Franz is such a stretch, it's laughable to even do it. It's a rather lame attempt to excuse his behavior.
Anyway, I've had enough of your Lloyd-apologism, so you can piss off now. This site is for people to share genuine opinions and have honest discussions, and I think you're either trolling or involved with him in some way. No normal person can have followed the story and think it's all OK and acceptable.
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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Am I an idiot and fool because I hold a different view of the cost/benefit of opposing Putin?
Opposing Putin is all very well, and grandiose, but I think it would be better if we didn't get to having to do that in the current manner.
Putin is there because of things *we* did. Unless and until people wise up, the same things will keep happening.
The powers-that-be are happy to see Ukraine decimated and millions killed, if it gives them $$$ and a place to host their bio labs. Meanwhile their propaganda campaign has people cheering it all on.
I'd rather we hadn't got to this point and I think the people who got us here and who support the people who keep on doing this are to blame and deserve the label idiot.
So no, you're not an idiot and a fool if you simply think opposing Putin and China is a good idea. But I think you are if you support the entire chain of events that make the current form of opposition necessary.
We're only here so slime-ball politicians can enrich themselves, laundering money through one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, and so the military industrial complex can make sales. Who in their right mind would support that? (apart from everyone, apparently)
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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It's incredible isn't it how within a couple of years of "regime change" to replace the democratically elected Ukrainian government, the US has a convenient money laundering and proxy war to send their $$$ to.
And the idiot masses cheer it on, always the fools.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Yeah, they "I'm so honest, I couldn't possibly lie to an elder" who spent many years regularly cheating on his wife with hookers after no doubt promising her "it was the last time, I'll change" when previously caught sexting girls.
So much "honesting", such a swell guy.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Here's one of his comments regarding the JC about having nothing to hide, his threats against them, and coming to an agreement.
LOL, as if they care about him "being honest about not having any recording equipment"?
Does he think they'll go "oh wow, we've totally changed our minds then, maybe YOU have the truth oh wise one!"
Nothing he says makes sense other than an attempt to spin and obfuscate reality. The big man talks the talk but was probably in tears and pleading inside. That is way more likely a reason he didn't record it.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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That Marko stuff I thought was crazy at the time, but if it was a fake it was a remarkably prescient one in light of later disclosures about his personality. Who knows? Reserve judgement until there’s good evidence.
Yeah, that's why I believe it's likely true, it's Occams razor stuff - the chances of someone inventing something that perfectly fits as an explanation for the person's subsequent actions and own stories is incredibly unlikely.
The infidelities and cheating, the texting, all the same pattern of behaviors.
The claim he himself made that he included details in his book to prevent someone from blackmailing him? I'm sure he only included enough detail that he thought he'd take the sting out of it, but it's the man who doesn't believe that doing something "every couple of months for 4+ years" should class as "regularly"
The smoking gun is always that claim about his JC meeting that "I am not going to record it because I have nothing to hide" which makes absolutely no sense, especially coming from a YouTuber that wants to record everything, including himself outside.
His claims not to have any self-control when it comes to sex is another thing that aligns with and reinforces the story as possibly true. I've seen rapists & kiddie fiddlers making the claim that they couldn't possible control their sexual urges, as though it's any kind of excuse for their behavior. Maybe in someone's very warped mind, but it's not really convincing for normal people with basic levels of morality.
If someone invented a story about you, it would be easy for most people to demonstrate that it's completely out of character and thus without any basis.
When the story fits the character and all subsequent events so well, and would even explain "why" certain events happened (e.g. hurried exit from the UK) then you have to think "hmmn?"
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England v Ukraine
by BoogerMan inso nice to see thousands upon thousands of fighting-age ukrainian men managed to escape the war and reach wembley to support their national football team yesterday.
things must be improving, eh?.
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They've started doing tik-tok propaganda dance videos. I think they've jumped the shark.
It's all bullshit from the forever-war people and the idiot masses fall for it yet again.
Let Russia have the Russian land with the Russian people on it, the pretend borders created by the west just have to be put back to what they were.
And the agreement NOT to expand NATO's borders eastward, which was made as part of the deal to reunify Germany, should be honoured.
This really does say it all:
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Are you kidding me? He would have LOVED to have been on those tribunal
He would have made a model elder. Believe me, there are many elders like Lloyd ... They are dark evil individuals who like to suck the lifeforce out of others.
You hear stories of elders probing for totally unnecessary and intimate details about people's sexual misdemeanours.
Now you can see exactly the type of person who become those types of elders. He'd be getting his jollies by listening to the stories and grilling (sisters especially) on what happened, all for something to play with himself later in his little wanking shed.