Posts by Simon

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

I don't know about Croatia or the UK, but in the United States its against the law (Title 18, section 2423 if anybody wants to check my homework) to travel to a foreign country to engage in sex practices illegal in the United States. It is possible that Evans' legal problems are just starting.

Some of his financial dealings would certainly get the attention of the IRS. Again, I don't know about the UK or Croatia. In my opinion, Lloyd Evans would be well served by engaging a good lawyer, shutting his mouth (the first piece of advice that lawyer will give him), and groveling for his wife, if she'll listen to it.

Even if he's not broken laws, he's clearly violated Patreon rules and should be reported so they can protect people who may be misled into thinking they are donating to something they are not.

They have pretty strict community guidelines and using money raised on the pretence of being for something else and using funds to engage in sexual practices violate their terms.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

When you leave the WT, it doesn't mean all moral standards are discarded.

In some cases you acquire better ones

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Great video Christian!

Yeah, very well said Christian.

I think people make too much of the "XYZ helped me leave the WTS". The reality for most people is that they were already starting their process of leaving, and started looking for information. Sure, the information was useful, for confirmation of their choice, but it wan't equivalent to being picked up by a helicopter from a battlefield under gunfire. It's more like someone handed you a leaflet as you walked past ...

Don't run back to the mall to hug them, and think they are your friend. They are doing what they do to help as they can. But some end up doing it because they miss the "position" they had in the WTS and want to reproduce it, thinking they should have some equivalent position in the exJW community.

There is now a cult of personality, and ironically, the same personality that if they went back in time would not really have helped them leave, because they would have disgusted them.

If you leave, YOU did that for yourself. Be proud. Go live your life, wasn't that the point of leaving after all?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

If Watchtower or JW lurkers are reading, we are not all sexually deviant as Lloyd has insinuated. Many of us have left and continue to lead pretty moral lives regardless of being in Watchtower or not. The "worldly" people are not all drug addicts, sexually immoral, drunkards etc, as Watchtower insinuates.

This is a very good point. Does this help or encourage people to leave? Or does it tell them that the WTS is absolutely right about everything, that all they have told them about the people who leave is correct?

No, not all exJWs are like this. Not the majority, not even many. It's not normal, and not many people do this. Most of us who left did it because we couldn't abide dishonesty, corruption and seeing people being treated badly, not because we wanted to wallow in it ourselves.

The people who treat their wives badly when they leave are the same people who treated them badly when they were in. The people who fail to be decent and honest were already failing to be decent and honest when they had their JW badge on. Taking the badge off didn't change them at all, it just removed the cloak of assumption, where they benefitted from the belief that everyone else had similar motivations to yourself.

This is all before we get to what this does to survivors of sexual abuse and mistreatment, who may have contributed to him and now find out what a low-life abuser of women he is. How sickening must that be?

NOTE: Posts attempting to inject politics into this topic will be removed.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

"He that is without sin among you (or us), let him cast the first stone..."

OK, only people who don't spend donated money to regularly cheat on their wife for many years with prostitutes in multiple countries, including notorious sex-tourism destinations, can criticize him.

That book is one huge contradiction - a few books later and all that hippy shit is out the window and it's all judgement and retribution dialled up to 11.

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Suit, shirt and tie

by JoenB75 in

i always hated suit, shirt and tie and wondered why men of all walks of life should be forced to wear these uncomfortable clothes and spend the money on them.

it should be remembered some of the worst people wear them, like creepy joe, putin, dirty corrupt frauds in business, law etc.

and of course al capone.

Simon

I can't remember the last time I wore a suit and tie. I don't even when I'm going for an interview (which I rarely bother with nowadays, it's all remote stuff).

I HATE them. It's so antiquated, uncomfortable, and gets in the way of focusing on your work.

It's been pretty optional (not done) in IT for many years though.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

The world now is upside down. Perpetrators of crimes end up being viewed as victims while the real victims are viewed as oppressors, debt is an asset, incompetence and crime is rewarded, ... everything is totally backward. We're in clown universe and we never realized.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him continue. He has no shame and his followers apparently share his lack of standards or concerns for women so as long as they keep putting their hand in their pockets for him, he'll keep taking it and justifying his actions.

Shameless, narcissistic, sociopaths have no remorse and no sense of guilt at the harm they do to others. As long as they get what they want, they think the world is great.

Normal people can't live with themselves even for far lesser slights they do to others.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Wedding ring on the 'married' finger
Towards the end
Moved to his pinky

It's probably a formed habit now - slipping his wedding ring off ;)

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

I wonder how this will affect the 'Truth About The Truth' documentary?

Yeah, he can't be in something like that, it undermines all credibility. Think about the TV show he was on some years back, I think some of it talked about how girls / women were treated in the organization. What has his presence now done to that? He's shat all over everyones hard work.

"Wasn't that guy using donated money to go to Thailand to cheat on his wife with prostitutes? Wait, why Thailand ..."

It quickly turns into "The Truth about 'The Truth About The Truth' Documentary"

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Simon

Thailand has the dubious distinction of being the world capitol of child sex tourism and child prostitution. These kids are kept in utter slavery through drugs and intimidation. It is a living hell for the most innocent among us - children. If this is his thing, then ANYONE ever watching his videos will be contributing to his VACATIONS and CRIMES against humanity.

Yeah, who know - maybe the real full story has still to come out, but regardless of the ages of those concerned, I think there is a good chance that people who visit prostitutes are actually guilty of rape. If they are doing it because of desperation, coercion or human trafficking, then you're effectively a rapist. I don't care for anyone's views trying to defend it, it's an abominable existence for millions of girls and women.

Real men put effort into their marriage and can please their wives - they don't need to pay someone to suffer their fat face in front of them.

I feel so sorry for all the females who have suffered because of him.