Posts by ironsnake656

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Let's talk about Blood again....

by stuckinarut2 in

i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

ironsnake656

All about "Sacredness of Blood" is BS from the Org to justify the doctrine about blood, in order to prevent it from liability and lawsuits. First, it took about 66 years to the Org to set the doctrine (1879-1945). Then, the prohibition of blood among vaccinations. After that, the "personal and conscience" use of fractions of blood or medical procedures. They have to understand that the account of Acts needs to be interpreted according to the culture and knowledge about blood in those times.

I found interesting the note in the article of Matthew Goff "Monstrous Appetites: Giants, Cannibalism, and Insatiable Eating in Enochic Literature": "It is possible that the prohibition against the consumption of blood developed because this act played a role in divination. Divination and the consumption of blood are banned together in Lev 19:26 (cf. 1 Sam 14:31–35). See Milgrom, Leviticus 17–22, 1490–93; Biale, Blood and Belief, 21–23; Wright, The Origin of Evil Spirits, 148. Consult also P.T. Reis, “Eating the Blood: Saul and the Witch of Endor,” JSOT 73 (1997): 3–23."

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Question...

by ironsnake656 in

when you were an active member in the jwland, did you expect to receive any kind of help from a brother/sister, but they did not help you?

when i was in the jwland, i expected and was my belief that any brother/sister will help you in time of need, distress or trouble, because we were part of a "lovely organization".

but countless of times when i needed and asked for help, nobody from the org helped me.

ironsnake656

Interesting comments and responses. LongHairGal: I'm referring to both moral/financial help, I can also include physical help. This question was raised because I had an experience.

Five years ago, I was experiencing financial hardship and I was unemployed. I received a call from a brother who wanted to gather a team for an industrial company, because he received a call from the general manager. The general manager was a well know brother who was in our congregation before he moved; I knew very well this brother since I invited him sometimes to my house to have meal with him and his family. The brother who called me invited to an interview and to travel to the city to check everything before moving. Everything went fine: interviews, medical checks, apartment rent, cost of living, etc. Then, the brother told me that the hiring process will take a while, so I returned home to prepare myself and my family for moving. The time passed: one week, two weeks, three weeks... and nothing. So I called back the brother, and he told me that something went wrong with the hiring process and I will not be hired. He forwarded me the email from the general manager where explained why I was not hired: I had two lipomas in my harm and medical department was worried about it. I explained them that those were from genetics and benign body fat tissue. But the decision was made: I will not be hired, since I did not satisfy the requirements for the medical department. Anyways... the general manager brother knew about my financial hardship, he knew me for a long time, and despite his position of power and decision, could not he made a concession regarding my "medical" condition? I was disappointed, (actually this experience was one from others which triggered my fading), since I expected a little help from someone who was considered "my brother".

I know a lot of brothers who did not receive any help from brothers who had the power/means of helping.

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The New System... really... An expanding universe

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

well jesus has handed the kingdom back to jehovah and satan and his demons are dead forever... peace on earth.. great... a million years go by...the human brain would not hold even 1000 years of memories accurately... indeed the former things would not be called to mind but... 2 billion years... oh i's damn hot the sun is running out of hydrogen.... 5 billion years jehovah sit back laughing... we are all dead... unless we move away from earth... not only is the sun a red giant but andromeda has collided with the milky way and rendered our galaxy no longer a spiral galaxy.. navigation is impossible out there.. 2 trillion years.

oh ... if we existed.. we would have no idea theven is a universe.. the expansion is so far that we can't see beyond our own galaxy ... the heaven declare jehovah diminising glory.. 100 trillion years... the galaxy is gone... stars are burning out... in fact atoms are destabilizing... jehovah will need to remake us... likely in to positronium.... dark energy is so powerful we can feel it... assuming we have bodies anymore.... 100 to the 100 power years.... black holes evaporate away,...we have an almost 0 energy universe .. well except for dark energy which is now so powerful matter cannot exists.. 100 to the 200 power years... well there is no mater or energy except for the energy of the vacuum (quantum fluctuations) dark energy had literally torn this universe apart and assuming m theory... that it... jehovah and jesus laugh hysterically..

ironsnake656

That is what happen when you analyze verses from the bible using scientific googles. Bible writers and religion dogmas do not consider the things beyond science and physic phenomena. Jehovah/Jesus have to change all physics laws in the universe to allow humans live forever.

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Question...

by ironsnake656 in

when you were an active member in the jwland, did you expect to receive any kind of help from a brother/sister, but they did not help you?

when i was in the jwland, i expected and was my belief that any brother/sister will help you in time of need, distress or trouble, because we were part of a "lovely organization".

but countless of times when i needed and asked for help, nobody from the org helped me.

ironsnake656

When you were an active member in the JWland, did you expect to receive any kind of help from a brother/sister, but they did not help you? When I was in the JWland, I expected and was my belief that any brother/sister will help you in time of need, distress or trouble, because we were part of a "lovely organization". But countless of times when I needed and asked for help, NOBODY from the Org helped me. What are your experiences?

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I love heavy metal!!!

by ironsnake656 in

probably you noticed that my avatar is a photo of steve harris, bassist of iron maiden.

i have quite a few years that i started to listen this kind of music, even when i was in the jwland.

although it was a "no-no" in the borders of jwland, i knew a lot of brothers and sisters that listened and loved this kind of music.

ironsnake656

Thank you all for your comments and for sharing your experiences!! I find so funny the experience of butyoucanneverleave about the elder who played the three songs in the KH speakers system. I'm imagining banging your heads in the back row!!! jaja... what happened if the elder played Slayer's Angel of Death? Image result for god listens to slayer

Anyways, this kind of music accompanied me during my hard times in life, and helped to express my feelings and to examine things more deeper. But the for mainstream people this music genre is outdated, satanist, obscure. Sam Dunn, in his documentary, exposes that heavy metal has been considered bad in society because "Metal confronts what we'd rather ignore. It celebrates what we often deny. It indulges in what we fear most. And that's why metal will always be a culture of outsiders". Besides, Tom Araya, Slayer's front man, said: "I consider what we do art, and art can be a reflection of society. I guess, uh, we're picking up the dark reflections".

I also like to listen disco. I had read some Watchtowers magazines (bound volumes from 1979) from my mom's library and there some articles saying a lot of BS about disco.

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interesting EX-CO AMA ( Ask Me Anything) over on exjwreddit

by Diogenesister in

ex-circuit overseer here, ama.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6usaky/excircuit_overseer_here_ama/.

ironsnake656

Interesting information!!!

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I love heavy metal!!!

by ironsnake656 in

probably you noticed that my avatar is a photo of steve harris, bassist of iron maiden.

i have quite a few years that i started to listen this kind of music, even when i was in the jwland.

although it was a "no-no" in the borders of jwland, i knew a lot of brothers and sisters that listened and loved this kind of music.

ironsnake656

Regarding lyrics, there are a lot of songs with religious themes. i.e. The Number of the Beast of Iron Maiden first verses are taken from the book of Revelation: "Woe to you, oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the Beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short... let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the Beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty six"; the song Creeping Death of Metallica is talking about the deliverance of the Israelites from Egypt by means of plagues, specially the last one (firstborns killings).

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I love heavy metal!!!

by ironsnake656 in

probably you noticed that my avatar is a photo of steve harris, bassist of iron maiden.

i have quite a few years that i started to listen this kind of music, even when i was in the jwland.

although it was a "no-no" in the borders of jwland, i knew a lot of brothers and sisters that listened and loved this kind of music.

ironsnake656

Probably you noticed that my avatar is a photo of Steve Harris, bassist of Iron Maiden. I have quite a few years that I started to listen this kind of music, even when I was in the JWland. Although it was a "no-no" in the borders of JWland, I knew a lot of brothers and sisters that listened and loved this kind of music. I remember some articles from the Org. about the dangers of this kind of music. Also, when you wanted to apply for being a Bethelite, one of the questions is "do you listen heavy metal/rap". One CO told me that the Org. named one band in its publications: Guns n' Roses.This attitude of hate and prohibition was not exclusively from the JW, but also from other religions in general.

When I was in the university, one professor influenced us not just to listen heavy metal, but to analyze its implications in the culture, society and religion. He recommended us to read "Running with the Devil: Power, Gender and Madness in Heavy Metal Music", from Robert Walser, and to see the documentary from Sam Dunn "Metal: a Headbanger's Journey". We learned a lot from those works about the roots, history, influence, behavior and other stuff related with heavy metal. I recommend you too to review these works if you like heavy metal.

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A World Of Pure Experience William James

by Brokeback Watchtower in

william james a psychologist and philosopher:.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/william_james.

along with charles sanders peirce and john dewey, james is considered to be one of the major figures associated with the philosophical school known as pragmatism, and is also cited as one of the founders of functional psychology.

ironsnake656

Also, I suggest you to take a look over the works of Edward Thorndike, a James' disciple, regarding educational psychology and the Law of Effect.

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A World Of Pure Experience William James

by Brokeback Watchtower in

william james a psychologist and philosopher:.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/william_james.

along with charles sanders peirce and john dewey, james is considered to be one of the major figures associated with the philosophical school known as pragmatism, and is also cited as one of the founders of functional psychology.

ironsnake656

I remember when I study my bachelor degree in psychology that William James was a "must-read" philosopher, since he founded one of the psychology schools, the functional psychology, which later developed as the behaviorist school. The roots of such philosophy schools can be traced back to Greece in the philosophy of Epicurus and Aristotle.