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  The JW religion or the person, whose fault is it?

  by larc in

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  i just read the tragic story of the man in chicago who beat his daughter to death.

  i have read stories here and on silentlambs about sexual abuse.. my question is: how much fault can be placed on the religion and how much on the perversions of a particular individual?

  i frankly don't know the answer to this question.

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  Oldhippie,

  Yeah I understand where you are coming from on that. I read about a study which had been conducted and the paper had been posted online. I also read an interesting article about language and identity of JWs - the writer attended the JWs for a few months for the purpose of this research http://www.unc.edu/~elliott/langid.html.

  I didnt say that they have more occurrance of mental health problems than ALL other groups though, just more than some other groups.

  On seeking professional help: no matter what has been published recently, I know that in the local cong. there is a general feeling that we shouldnt seek help from worldly sources.

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  JW's and Chronic Fatigue Syndrone!

  by cornish in

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  chronic fatigue syndrone, m e, yuppie flu.

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  i dont know if anyone else has noticed the alarming number of jws who claim to suffer from chronic fatigue syndrone,i mean hear in cornwall there tend to be several sufferers in every congregation,outside the jws out of the many people i know i dont know anyone,although there are obviosly many outside the jws who suffer this illness,percentage wise it seems that jws have a much,much larger occorance of the illness.. for example my brother in law has not worked and been living on invalidity benefits for more than 10 years since his mid twenties,his brother is also in the same boat, an m.e sufferer.. i wonder if anyone has looked into this a bit more?

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  Good point. I've known 3 suffers in my local congregation.

  I've found that the general attitude regarding illness amongst JWs is harmful. People are given lots of positive regard if they are ill and still attend - almost like idolising them...."oh how spiritual they must be, attending despite their (name illness)" and theres so much comparison between one person and another. Also there is always so much talk about illnesses, dont you think? Radical diets which are supposed to help particular ailments etc. then talk about how everything will be OK in the new system.

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  The JW religion or the person, whose fault is it?

  by larc in

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  i just read the tragic story of the man in chicago who beat his daughter to death.

  i have read stories here and on silentlambs about sexual abuse.. my question is: how much fault can be placed on the religion and how much on the perversions of a particular individual?

  i frankly don't know the answer to this question.

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  Hi

  I think that some people will do evil acts even if they are brought up in a secure and loving family. Some people have a mental problem and that is that.

  It is known that there is more occurance of mental illness in Jehovahs Witnesses than in some other religious groups, however, this may not be *caused* by the religion. Perhaps its just that those will a mental illness are more likely to join the JWs due to the acceptance they feel and the family atmosphere. Plus, shizophrenics and those with similar disorders are known to have delusions of grandeur ("Im better than anyone else") and the JW mindset fits that perfectly.

  I do accept that the stress that is placed on JWs may be a causal factor in mental illness developing. Guilt feelings and feelings of powerlessness may induce someone to do something horrible (go over the edge basically). One theory on the development of some mental illnesses is that there are biological predispositions which will develop if the person is found to be in a difficult environment. E.g. someone with a predisposition to schizophrenia may not develop it if their life is very balanced, but may develop it if they are an abused child. That is not to say that you cant develop it if you do have a balanced life.

  The Governing Body of Jehovahs Witnesses must bear some responsibility for the stress they put people under and the negative emotional state they can induce. This can aggravate someone who is already having mental / emotional issues into doing something wrong.

  I also strongly disagree with the society's advice on seeing mental health professionals. I remember one quote in a watchtower where they said that consulting a professional was like "jumping from the frying pan into the fire" because of the possible worldly influence. This, I believe is one of the main causes of problems amongst JWs with regard to mental health. They feel guilty even thinking about seeing a counsellor for example. They are not allowed to have hypnotherapy and some other treatments which the Watchtower condemn, and are not even allowed to "meditate" (by this I mean the relaxing meditation of yoga for example) to relieve their stress.

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  A Biblical Christmas missed by the WT

  by cherjcd in

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  have you ever wondered if there was a biblical precedent to allow christmas to be celebrated by christians that the watchtower missed?.

  check out the link that shows the freedom we have to choose a celebration day: .

  * http://www.jwinfoline.com/documents/christmas/what_precedent_for_christmas.htm.

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  Hi

  Christians of course may celebrate Jesus birth on whatever day they choose.

  The only problem I had with your link was this:

  The Christians who originally instituted the celebration of the birth of our Saviour believed that it was right to honor Jesus on any day, and Christians throughout the centuries have agreed. As a result December 25th the day that pagans worshipped the sun in the sky, was victoriously taken back for God in order to honor and adore God's gift of His own Son. The victory of light over darkness has been so outstanding that the pagan worship of the sun on December 25th has long disappeared.

  I, and hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of pagans with me, celebrate the winter solstice (the birth of the Sun God, marking the triumph of light over darkness) each year. This remains a pagan celebration.

  I dont mind the christians using pagan dates and pagan symbolism to remember the birth of their God, not at all! We can all celebrate God together.

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  THE MALE BRAIN

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  Ooh Gopher I've gone weak at the knees!

  Simon,

  No way do we think of sex every 7 seconds...
  ... it's probably every 4 or 5 at the very least !

  LOL! Milliseconds more like it!

  Im currently studying the brain at college (biological perspectives) so I think I might mail this to a couple of my lecturers (female of course!)

  Sex gives women immense power

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  THE MALE BRAIN

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  bttt
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  Let's have some honest answers

  by chappy in

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  ok all you ex's, be honest.

  do you ever have that little voice pop in your head and say "what if - just what if they're right?".

  it happens to me on occasion and i've been totally out for years.

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  Hi

  I have had that little voice. Part of that is because I chose a religious path that JWs abhor, Paganism. Am I really ruled by Satan? I dont think so, because I have love in my life and I always try to be loving to others.

  I hate it when JWs say "the only reason you read apostate stuff is to make yourself feel better. You CANT live upto it so you need an excuse". They are SO wrong! In the JWs ignorance is bliss, the hardest thing to do is admit that its not true and live your life without all the fairytale answers.

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  THE MALE BRAIN

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  Ha ha!

  Larc, Im glad you can see the sense of it!

  So what do we think then? Is it true that men think of sex every 7 seconds? No wonder some of the male posters seem to get distracted in the middle of a debate (cant do more than one thing at once?)

  
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  Does anyone get scared?

  by aud8 in

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  does anyone who has left the organisation ever get scared at current world events and what they seem to be leading to?

  more and more the governments are getting fed up with religion, there is now more than even a call "for" peace rather than "of" peace and security.

  bin laden and his extremist religious views would give rise to the thought that governments will in the future be intent on eradicating religion altogether due to the trouble it causes.

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  Hi,

  Lets assume JWs are right.

  First of all, do I want to be in a world ruled by a God who has killed 99% of the world population? NO.

  There are many loving people out there who are part of many different faiths, including Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, Paganism, etc. The JWs teach that God will destroy "babylon the great" and all those who are part of her. To be honest, I dont want to worship a God who would do that.

  I am not scared that God will destroy me because I am not JW, because to be honest I dont think that JWs are the true religion (note all the lying and deceit and ask is that of God?). I am also not afraid of God destroying me, because if (and this is a looooonnng shot) JWs are right and Jehovah is going to kill me cause I dont "fit in" to the new world, then so be it! I'd rather die that have to exist giving worship to such a cruel God who would take away my freedom for eternity.

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  J.W's gonna see Harry P ?

  by wheelwithinwheel in

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  harry potter is getting great reviews.

  looks pretty satanic!

  how many witnesses are gonna go see the movie?

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  Hi Earnest,

  Harry Potter hardly has any reference to real witchcraft...its more the fantasy / imaginative magic than the pagan variety.

  Sirona