Posts by Sirona

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Uncyclopedia on JWs - Funny!

by Sirona in

Sirona

Russell quickly chopped off the arm of the dissender, drained their blood, threw the poor soul in the hospital, and informed the doctor that the dissender is a Jehovah's Witness and not to replace their blood; a practice that's done to dissenders to this day. The practice, originally known as "dis-membershipping" is now known today as "disfellowshipping".
You are allowed to have your arm re-inserted after a punitive period that lasts for at least 6 months. That practice, known as "re-insertion" is now known as "re-instation".

ROFL

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Proof of Fake Spirit Medium on Most Haunted

by Sirona in

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i didn't know about this scandal until the last day or two.. derek acorah who stars as a spirit medium on most haunted, was set up recently.

basically a skeptic on the show made sure that before he visited a venue for psychic investigation, he was given fake names of people who were supposedly attached to the property but who are now dead.. the fake names were anagrams of "derek lies" and "faker derek" etc.. he pretended to have a trance and said these false names as though they were coming from the spirit world.. here is the "proof":.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw_onn8odys&mode=related&search.

Sirona

I believe that spirits exist and that there are some people out there who can communicate with them.

The trouble is, there are charlatans. Derek Acorah does more acting than communicating with the dead, it appears.

Sirona

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Predestination?

by Zico in

predestination is something ive been thinking a bit about of late, mainly due to a wt article on the subject printed in the may awake, which i read after skimming through the magazine at the weekend.

i believe the wt reasoning on the subject is that god has the ability to see into the future, but that he chooses not to look into the future, as it would negate our free will, although the recent may article was more a criticism of predestination, and although they didnt assert their own position, what struck me from reading the article, and contemplating the wt article in general is that they seem to focus on time a lot, and its this part where the wt idea of predestination seems to fall down to me.

if god created the universe and everything in it, as a jw would assert, this would also mean he would have had to have created time (which is a product of our universe) and so before god created time, it, obviously, wouldnt have existed, and without time, there cant be a past, present and future.

Sirona

Gumby,

Btw.....who the heck is Dawn? It ain't Sirona is it?

Yes, my real name is Dawn. Sirona

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Predestination?

by Zico in

predestination is something ive been thinking a bit about of late, mainly due to a wt article on the subject printed in the may awake, which i read after skimming through the magazine at the weekend.

i believe the wt reasoning on the subject is that god has the ability to see into the future, but that he chooses not to look into the future, as it would negate our free will, although the recent may article was more a criticism of predestination, and although they didnt assert their own position, what struck me from reading the article, and contemplating the wt article in general is that they seem to focus on time a lot, and its this part where the wt idea of predestination seems to fall down to me.

if god created the universe and everything in it, as a jw would assert, this would also mean he would have had to have created time (which is a product of our universe) and so before god created time, it, obviously, wouldnt have existed, and without time, there cant be a past, present and future.

Sirona

LT

Yes thanks, that clarifies.

I did look up those scriptures, but you know, I might be out of practice.

Jesus said "all you" "take my yoke upon you". I think I have a basic problem with the idea that God doesn't freely offer the salvation to all. You suggest that he chooses the individuals to save. Thats the bit I'm finding difficult.

It suggests that people like me are lacking something that people like you are not. That God only adopted you and not me

I'm being a little flippant, but you do see what I am saying don't you?

Yes, I suspect a little more discussion at the weekend would be useful. Although I doubt I'll be changing my heathen ways LOL

Sirona

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Predestination?

by Zico in

predestination is something ive been thinking a bit about of late, mainly due to a wt article on the subject printed in the may awake, which i read after skimming through the magazine at the weekend.

i believe the wt reasoning on the subject is that god has the ability to see into the future, but that he chooses not to look into the future, as it would negate our free will, although the recent may article was more a criticism of predestination, and although they didnt assert their own position, what struck me from reading the article, and contemplating the wt article in general is that they seem to focus on time a lot, and its this part where the wt idea of predestination seems to fall down to me.

if god created the universe and everything in it, as a jw would assert, this would also mean he would have had to have created time (which is a product of our universe) and so before god created time, it, obviously, wouldnt have existed, and without time, there cant be a past, present and future.

Sirona

Ross,

I feel I must press for further clarification.

If you don't mind, please could you provide the source for this belief:
Usually I'm not that keen on basing my beliefs on The Apocalypse, however: Rev.5:12; 13:8 and others.

Ok. I perhaps didn't ask the question clearly enough. You indicated that he was slain somehow prior to it happening in the real world. That was the part I wanted to ask about. Where is that particular idea from? How can you say it happened somewhere other than the real world and then happened in the real world. Does the bible indicate this timeline for events?

Are you suggesting that God chooses those who will be "born again" and leaves everyone else to their own devices?
Paul was of that opinion.

Now that isn't answering my question. I asked if it was YOUR opinion.

Sure. We love whom we love, and don't love whom we don't love. Isn't that our choice to make? Would we therefore permit God less freedom than we allow ourselves?

Well for a starter I don't think that loving someone always involves a choice. Just my opinion of course. Also, would we choose not to love our own offspring? Effectively that is what the god of the bible is doing if he chooses not to love some of us.

I would imagine that the only people who don't love their own offspring are either generally horrible / unloving people, or they have a very very good reason to not love their child as much (e.g. their child was a serial killer). However, an all- knowing God should see the reasons behind actions (e.g. mental illness, effects of extreme abuse by someone else, etc.).

I read a book recently, I think entitled "we need to talk about Kevin" and it was about a woman whose son committed mass murder at school. He was unrepentant, but clearly mentally ill. Her poignant conclusion was that she still loved him, because he was her child.

I would not allow God more freedom to be unloving. No.

Sirona

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Proof of Fake Spirit Medium on Most Haunted

by Sirona in

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i didn't know about this scandal until the last day or two.. derek acorah who stars as a spirit medium on most haunted, was set up recently.

basically a skeptic on the show made sure that before he visited a venue for psychic investigation, he was given fake names of people who were supposedly attached to the property but who are now dead.. the fake names were anagrams of "derek lies" and "faker derek" etc.. he pretended to have a trance and said these false names as though they were coming from the spirit world.. here is the "proof":.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw_onn8odys&mode=related&search.

Sirona

You didn't get what?

Sirona

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Would you date another faith?

by purplesofa in

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take this very in depth test!~!~!!!!!.

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Sirona

thigh control

Now, now, Tijkmo!

My thighs come in useful I just wish they were thinner! LOL

Sirona

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Proof of Fake Spirit Medium on Most Haunted

by Sirona in

jw
friends

i didn't know about this scandal until the last day or two.. derek acorah who stars as a spirit medium on most haunted, was set up recently.

basically a skeptic on the show made sure that before he visited a venue for psychic investigation, he was given fake names of people who were supposedly attached to the property but who are now dead.. the fake names were anagrams of "derek lies" and "faker derek" etc.. he pretended to have a trance and said these false names as though they were coming from the spirit world.. here is the "proof":.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw_onn8odys&mode=related&search.

Sirona

Hi Everyone

I didn't know about this scandal until the last day or two.

Derek Acorah who stars as a spirit medium on Most Haunted, was set up recently. Basically a skeptic on the show made sure that before he visited a venue for psychic investigation, he was given fake names of people who were supposedly attached to the property but who are now dead.

The fake names were anagrams of "Derek Lies" and "Faker Derek" etc.

He pretended to have a trance and said these false names as though they were coming from the spirit world.

Here is the "proof":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW_ONN8odYs&mode=related&search

Do you think all spirit mediums are fake?

Sirona

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My Spiritual Awakening has turned to........

by AK - Jeff in

general apathy about religion.. i don't know precisely when it happened.

but at some point i began to stop needing anything 'organized' in my life religiously.

not too long ago - as attested to by multiple threads i started here - i was still wishing to replace the ritual of religion at the kingdom hall with some other church.

Sirona

Since you're happy with where you are right now, that is great!

I'm happy with my beliefs. Some find it better to discard them, or to just avoid anything organised.

Sirona