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he broke his ankle ....
true!!!
It was JK666
I just wish the cynicism and pack-attack mentality that arose from that incident would heal here as well
This appeared to me to be saying that just because we won't say "Oh poor trevor" that we have pack attack mentality.
The fact is, I think it is a strength to be able to say to someone's face "I think that was wrong" and not have to pretend we love the guy just because he EVENTUALLY said sorry.
Sirona
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he broke his ankle ....
true!!!
Mouthy,
I'm sorry. I do realise that you are just being nice to Trevor.
I was more upset by someone else's remark about people on this forum being like a "pack" or whatever it was he said.
Sorry you have harder problems than Trevor. Will keep you in my prayers
Thank you. That comment does seem a little bit condescending, but knowing you, I will take it as you probably meant it...
And yes, I do consider that I have more problems right now than a broken ankle. I suspect 90% of people on this board do too.
Sirona
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he broke his ankle ....
true!!!
If someone behaves horrendously, they deserve to have to deal with the consequences of their actions. A broken ankle, with all the sympathy its going to get him, is nothing compared to what he did to others. People on this board have FAR more to deal with in their lives than a sodding broken ankle.
For me, "forgiveness" doesn't come into it. I hold no grudges. I just think that rallying around "trevor" is a little bit much for this board.
I'd also have people stop being so morally superior and expect us all to be so sorry for him!
Sirona
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he broke his ankle ....
true!!!
Karma
watch, feb 1 2008 p.4 "if we really are the product of evolution and there is no creator, the human race would in a sense, be an orphan.
mankind would have no source of superior wisdom to consult- no one to help us solve our problems.
we would have to rely on human wisdom to avert enviromental disaster, to solve political conflicts, and to guide us through our personal crises.
As a believer in an abstract "god" and in evolution, I can say that this is pathetic in the extreme! A person can believe evolution and still have spirituality in their life!
as for this
We would have to rely on human wisdom to avert enviromental disaster, to solve political conflicts, and to guide us through our personal crises.
YES! We would! NOW they're learning. We SHOULD rely on human wisdom for these things. Thats the whole point.
Sirona
i never had one growing up, at least not to my knowledge.
none of my kids did either.
did any of your kids?
I believe in spirit beings and therefore I think that some of these friends are not imaginary!
If that makes me mentally ill, so be it!
blah
Sirona
i know from my own life experience, that repressed sexual expression leads to externalizing that repression and projecting it upon others.
fear, anger, and self loathing is the bottom line.
when i finially was freed of the jw beliefs, and then later came out to friends (actually, i was outed), i had a new awareness dawn on me one day.
Well, I think historical experience demonstrates its desirability for a society. Civilizations which followed it prospered, those who didn't fell by the wayside. By the way, the same question can and should be asked of the morality you are defending Sirona.
History is littered with evidence of countless atrocities performed by Christians and by extension, Christian societies. I realise that atrocities have been committed by those of other faiths, but since you want to assert the Judeo/Christian way is morally superior or desirable, I thought I'd simply point out that fact.
Also, this world currently contains a very large number of societies / cultures who are not Judeo/Christian and some of these can certainly be said to exist with just as much success as those who fall into your category.
Remember that Christianity has only been around for some 2000 years of the entire history of mankind. A hugely successful culture who lasted for twice that long was the ancient Egyptians.
Christians, or Jews for that matter, simply do not have the moral high-ground.
I agree. Unfortunately the attitude implied in you next statement is itself a form of bigotry
I will concede on this point and apologise.
However, you simply have no proof that a society without homosexuality is a better or more successful society.
Conversely, there are strong indications that the world would be a better place if people are less bigoted and more accepting. Of course we need to draw a moral line to prevent anarchy. If we ensure that laws are upheld and individuals do not hurt others, what goes on in someones bedroom needn't be an issue.
Regards,
Sirona
i know from my own life experience, that repressed sexual expression leads to externalizing that repression and projecting it upon others.
fear, anger, and self loathing is the bottom line.
when i finially was freed of the jw beliefs, and then later came out to friends (actually, i was outed), i had a new awareness dawn on me one day.
Forcher,
What, according to you, is "traditional morality"?
Also, what makes "traditional morality" superior or desirable?
Moving away from bigotry is walking in the right direction....presumably away from these so called traditions.
Sirona
i know from my own life experience, that repressed sexual expression leads to externalizing that repression and projecting it upon others.
fear, anger, and self loathing is the bottom line.
when i finially was freed of the jw beliefs, and then later came out to friends (actually, i was outed), i had a new awareness dawn on me one day.
I've missed quite a few threads ...
I just didn't realise that Real One was a homosexual JW. It must be really hard for him / her to suppress the urges.
Sirona
"now, at christ's coming to reign as king in jehovah's capital organization zion, to bring in a righteous new world, jehovah makes him infinitely higher than the godly angels or messengers and accordingly commands them to worship him.
since jehovah god now reigns as king by means of his capital organization zion, then whosoever would worship him must also worship and bow down to jehovah's chief one in that capital organization, namely, christ jesus, his co-regent on the throne of the theocracy.
" watchtower 1945 oct. 15 p.313.
Interestingly,
The NW Translation only translates the greek word for "worship" as "DO OBEISANCE" in reference to Jesus. Whenever this greek word is used elsewhere they render it "WORSHIP".
So it is clear that the translators of the NWT have wrongly rendered a greek word differently - just to match their own doctrine (that Jesus should not be worshipped)
Sirona
