Posts by Sirona

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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah Ginger

by RAYZORBLADE in

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ginger.

(quote scripture) blah, blah, blah, blah...ginger.. ginger, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...(refer their quote)...blah, blah, blah.. http://static.flickr.com/47/153603564_7281ad0588.jpg.

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Sirona

Good point.

It happens over and over.

Someone can point out the most blatant horrible things that the JWs have done and the JW apologists just say "well they're still the best Christians out there"

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How did you build a new life outside of the JWs?

by Sirona in

"if you leave jehovah's organisation, where will you go?".

no doubt many of us have been asked that question.

so where did you "go" when you left the jws?

Sirona

"If you leave Jehovah's Organisation, where will you go?"

No doubt many of us have been asked that question.

So where did you "go" when you left the JWs?

I think it would be helpful to newbies and others of us to know the answers to the following questions:

1. How did you build up a new social structure after leaving the JW religion?

2. Have you made fulfilling friendships and where did you find those friends?

3. Do you have a spirituality now and if so, how do you compare it with the JW religion?

4. What is the best advice you can think of to give to someone who has recently left the JWs - in terms of how to rebuild their life?

Thanks. Despite being out for near enough 8 years, I think that I could still benefit personally from the answers people give.

Sirona

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"There Is A God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind"

by Open mind in

author's name is anthony flew.. this book was sitting right next to "the god delusion" at the library, so in fairness to my username, i checked it out.

haven't read anything but the cover flaps so far.

anybody else read this yet?.

Sirona

No doubt Jesus turned up wearing a dazzling white robe saying "You have been chosen! oh and I am not a figment of your imagination!"

Let us know.

Sirona

14

Undefendable WT Lies

by still_in74 in

.... i find we often go into long-winded discussions that go several wt's deep and span numerous decades.

if a jw even bothers to listen they will quickly excuse it away.. what i like are those quick and easy undefendable and undeniable times when the wt knowingly lies and/or rewrites history.. heres an example i recently discovered from you tube.. *** g90 4/22 p. 6 how long can we live?

how long can we live?.

Sirona

Also the Watchtower lies to make people think that earthquakes have increased.

"The frequency of major earthquakes has increased about 20 times what it was on an average during the two thousand years before 1914." Survival into a New Earth (1984) p.23

"Significantly, since 1914 there have been more major earthquakes than in any previous period of similar length in recorded history." Watchtower 1961 October 15 p.628

Compare this with the actual facts about earthquakes

In a private email I received from Professor Glenn Biasi at the University of Nevada Reno Seismological Laboratory he wrote;
"There is no significant increase in earthquakes since 1914. The record is better, so people are more aware of earthquakes, more seismometers, better communications, etc. The number of earthquakes varies from year to year, but is pretty constant once the detect ability increase is factored in. The number of earthquakes per year or the amount of energy released on average are expressions of the speed at which internal, gravity driven flows in the mantle act. Very hard to change, and no signs of disruption on any historical timeframe"
It is accepted amongst seismologists that the number of earthquakes have remained relatively unchanged over many millenniums. The reason that the number of earthquakes changes little over time is because earthquakes take years to develop, and are the result of the shifting earth's mantle. This is how islands and mountain ranges have formed over millennium.

see http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/earthquakes.htm for more details of this.

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Undefendable WT Lies

by still_in74 in

.... i find we often go into long-winded discussions that go several wt's deep and span numerous decades.

if a jw even bothers to listen they will quickly excuse it away.. what i like are those quick and easy undefendable and undeniable times when the wt knowingly lies and/or rewrites history.. heres an example i recently discovered from you tube.. *** g90 4/22 p. 6 how long can we live?

how long can we live?.

Sirona

The Watchtower lies about its history:

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 July 15 p.226 "The year A.D. 1878, being the parallel of his assuming power and authority in the type, clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord...." Studies in the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come p.239

COMPARE THIS:

"… Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 January 22 p.8 "The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence…that Jesus' presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 January 15 pp.5,9

http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/1914dates.htm The fact of the matter is that they did NOT point to the year 1914 DECADES in advance as the START of the conclusion of the system of things! That is a blatant lie.

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Let's share some happiness!!!

by momzcrazy in

jw
friends

it is a beautiful day.

the sun is out and the birds are singing.

i have wonderful friends, a precious man i love, and healthy happy kids.. can anyone join me in sharing the love and beauty in their life?

Sirona

I am with the most wonderful man ever! and I'm 14 weeks pregnant!

Sirona

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Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

by reniaa in

i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

Sirona

You are doing everything you can to show how the JWs are the best of a bad bunch.

You are ignoring mountains of evidence of their deception and bloodguilt.

If thats the sort of life you want, go right ahead.

I feel sorry for your kids who will be subjected to this cult.

Sirona

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KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE between what is real and what isn't.

by Terry in

the reality of our life stands in stark contrast to the imagined.. we can imagine whatever we like.

but, life intrudes.

and, by life--i mean the unavoidably real events we cannot wish away.. each of us is capable of avoiding unpleasant thoughts.

Sirona

I posted this elsewhere and have copied it for the purpose of this thread.

Here are a couple of studies which have been conducted and their results. I have summarised - I do have much more information relating to the exact procedure of each experiment.

A recent study conduced by Dean Radin et al at the University of Nevada, conducted a test on physiological responses to photographs. Photographs were categorised as "calm" or "emotional". The results showed that participants' electrodermal activity rose before a picture appeared on screen (in anticipation of the picture). What was significant was that despite pictures being shown totally randomly, participants' electrodermal activity rose more when the picture was going to be an "emotional" picture - before the picture even appeared on screen.

Measuring electrodermal activity, heart rate and finger blood volume for participants showed a significantly greater response in participants when the picture was going to be an emotional one. This indicated an ability of the participant to "know", at least physiologically, whether the picture which was about to appear was going to be one which is classed as "emotional". This is precognition (or a form of knowing the future). This experiment has since been replicated with similar results.

Another experiment tested whether information could be "sent" by one participant to another participant. These were conducted by Honorton et al starting in 1983. Due to critisisms of experimental method, this test has been refined over and over again to eliminate any problems in testing. Basically the "sender" would be in a sound proofed, steel walled, electromagnetically sheilded room. He would view a random (computer randomised) image. He would attempt to "send" this image to a person who was in a totally different room, often miles away from the sender's location. The receiver would then verbally give impressions they were "receiving" and later would view four images - and would pick one image which they thought the sender was trying to send.

There would obviously be a certain number of participants who would pick the right image just by chance. The scientists gave a statistical figure which represented what would be expected just by chance. The results of this experiment were that there was a significant effect beyond chance with odds of around 50000 to 1. Other similar experiments have been conducted so that this experiment is well replicated, adding all results together produces odds against chance of a million billion to one.

This appears to suggest that in scientific experiments human beings are able to transmit information to other human beings outside of our normal senses.

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KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE between what is real and what isn't.

by Terry in

the reality of our life stands in stark contrast to the imagined.. we can imagine whatever we like.

but, life intrudes.

and, by life--i mean the unavoidably real events we cannot wish away.. each of us is capable of avoiding unpleasant thoughts.

Sirona

Years ago, people could not conceive of electricity. Today it is scientific fact.

I think that certain things which are in the "esp" category will be proven scientifically eventually.

I know of some documented experiments conducted which show significant results for ESP - so it could be argued that some things are already shown to exist, despite the fact that we're not sure how the information is transferred. (see my next post)

As long as you KNOW what you are doing is __going beyond__the verifiable, the actual and the reality of existence; you have every right to do so.

I know that some things I believe have not been proven by science yet. I also know that some things I've experienced have been proven to me to exist in reality.

Sirona

383

Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

by reniaa in

i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

Sirona

and...

you don't need a Kingdom Hall to be around God.

Look into your baby's eyes when he/she is born and there is God.

Sirona