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  To all those that are seriously thinking about going back to JWism...

  by nvrgnbk in

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  maybe you should.. apparently the reasons some had for leaving had nothing to do with truth or reality or what's factual.. some left because they got discouraged or were offended or felt slighted.. if that's why you left- an unkind word, not being invited to some social function, nepotism in the hierarchy, being overlooked for privileges, annoying personalities, etc.- you're in a very unsettled place.. you'll soon discover that people that aren't jehovah's witnesses can be unkind, lack hospitality, show favortism, and be obnoxious.. then what?.

  you'll go crawling back?.

  if on the other hand you left because you realize that the extraordinary claims made by the religion are completely without support, you may occasionally miss friends and family lost and reminisce about some random happy memories experienced but most likely never feel tempted to return.. the jw religion, like most any other religion, is full of people that want to be told what to do and what to think.. it's easier that way.. thinking can be exhausting.

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  Excellent point!

  If you don't care about the actual facts and you just want the mummy organisation to tell you what to do all the time....you would suit being in a cult.

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  Yet more proofs of God's existence- When will the non-believers get it?

  by nvrgnbk in

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  hundreds of irrefutable proofs for god's existence.... http://www.godlessgeeks.com/links/godproof.htm.

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  ROFLMAO!
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

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  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Reniaa is either still a JW or just here to try and influence us to go back (or not leave)

  Check out what else she's been saying on this forum (apart from all the stuff on this thread):

  First, she DISCOURAGES people from "Deconverting" their JW loved ones or relatives:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/20/152740/2829061/post.ashx#2829061
  Ask youself one question....Can you love her if she stays a witness?

  That is the important one because no relationship even with a weak JW will last if you go into thinking "well hey shes a Witness but I can change her" or "she's weak enough to deconvert"

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/154612/2829214/post.ashx#2829214
  I don't agree with the second posters advice at all, If your father has come to you out of love then thats what you should give him back, to use it as an opportunity to try and deconvert him would make you as bad as what you hate in the witnesses

  Also, constant PRO JW comments. Does this tell you that this person has been "out" for 10 years living in the world?

  Regarding baptism questions http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/154590/2828686/post.ashx#2828686
  From what I remember it's not a quiz its more of an informal study were they just go over everything you learned and see if you are happy and ready, I think they just prefer you to be honest with what you want and your answers

  About whether JWs "witchhunt" to DF exMembers
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/154274/2826528/post.ashx#2826528
  hmmm, I'm a 3rd generation JW and have been inactive for 10 years, nothing like this has happenned to me and I have to say it doesn't sound like anything they would do, I've certainly never heard of anything like this in the 20 so years i was in JW's before I became inactive.

  Erm how do we know this is a true story or one just to incite us?

  On a thread where people were talking about all the wonderful things they gained from leaving the JWs: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/154404/2827535/post.ashx#2827535
  I'm sorry but atm I think I've lost more than I've gained after 10 years away, there is no utopia outside of JW's it's a hard world and in looking at other faiths and a lot of them exhibit same failings as witnesses that alot have mentioned so far :(

  Add to that the fact that this person ignores all evidence against the JWs or the Organisation.

  We are wasting our time on this thread folks.

  Sirona
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

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  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Romantic Notions of returning to.......

  by nomoreguilt in

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  the organization.

  i have observed in a number of threads some of the members here have expressed the need to return to the org.

  or to become active again.

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  I'd never return to that spiritual wasteland!

  Guilt, guilt, guilt, do more, do more, do more....argh....

  Sirona
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  I cannot believe this

  by bite me in

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  okay, it is like this... i have a friend who's belief is so strong in the watchtower.

  they have missed "several" (three) meetings.

  they said they do not want to get into trouble for missing so many.

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  Sirona

  Sounds like your friend is still communicating with you, so thats good.

  I've heard a few comments recently that the JWs are suggesting that armageddon is particularly close - that this is why Jehovah arranged for the two different magazines and other changes in the organisation. Of course this is the age old strategy that the borg uses to keep everyone on their toes.

  With die hards like this your only hope is to offer little bits of evidence and nothing too offensive. If they express their own disagreements with any doctrines, you can embellish that a bit and use it as a way to show them more about problems in the org.

  Good luck!

  Sirona
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

  1. jw
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  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Secondly "Absence of evidence is not evidence of lack" (did I quote that right) Science cannot physically go back in time and say for definate a flood didn't happen and so they are basing opinion on evidence that is taking from strong facts so still room for argument, Although I will say they have the stronger case atm.

  I've spent a minute or two laughing at this. ROFL.... thanks for at least making me laugh. Science CAN say the flood didn't happen less than 4000 years ago, thats the whole point! lol

  I don't think you are for real because I don't think anyone can be that stupid or that blind. I call TROLL. Especially with your sisters comments of "oh my poor sister"

  Its been interesting but I think I will go an throw my pearls elsewhere.

  EVERYONE ELSE:

  I really think this person is an active JW troll. If you read through this thread she is simply spouting all the JW rubbish all the time and is NOT genuinely questioning at all. This is my opinion.

  Sirona
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

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  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  Reniaa

  I will answer your post in detail now. Allow me first to say that I understand that you have had some really tough times. I also understand (a little) how it must feel to be heavily pregnant and alone. You are looking for support and you remember how the JWs used to be nice to you.

  I am pregnant myself. I am not married, but I have a partner who posts on this board (Gary - Diamondblue1974) and we are 100% committed to each other. Gary is a moral person and so am I. It does upset me that you can speak of "worldly" people in the way that you do. We (me and Gary) treat each other well because we love each other and we are nice people - we have deep spirituality which permeates our entire lives and we do help others wherever we can. This is the same for many people on this board. Some follow the bible, some don't, but just because you've known a load of horrible people doesn't mean that the whole world is full of horrible people.

  Thank you sirona hmmm very honest! I can you are not a little unhappy with JW's,

  I've been "out" for 8 years. I'm not actually bitter, I just come across as very direct so it can be misconstrued as being angry or something. In the early days I was angry, mainly because I could see really clearly where I had been totally lied to by the JW organisation. I don't blame individual JWs (in fact there are some individual JWs who I love very much) I blame the Watchtower Organisation and its leaders. If you research the definitions of "cult" the JW organisation does fit !

  I have been very honest too and if you check my sources in all cases I was careful not to quote Witness sites or scripture using other bibles and sites, the one i used on stauros is not a witness one and indeed condemns them using 'Torture Stake' saying it is incorrect you would not get that on a witness site.

  OK sorry I stand corrected. Leolaia will respond perhaps to your comments on the cross / stake argument. She really is impressive....click on her profile and post history and you'll find someone who is amazingly knowledgeable about scripture and both Hebrew and Greek. On this board she has repeatedly proven that the JWs have lots of things wrong in their translation and doctrines.

  Sirona you can't just say I'm spouting JW propaganda because in the end if stuff wasn't outside of the organisation we wouldn't be even having this discussion, I'd be agreeing with you, I've been honest from the start saying I was tempted to go back therefore I will be more in favour than against,

  The facts are, Reniaa, that "stuff" is outside of the JW organisation and it is also inside the JW organisation. Also, I think your view of "worldly" people is seriously tainted by your own experiences and you've simply not been associating with the nicer people! Believe me, there are nice people out there! Moral people, loving people, charitable people.

  I do resent you saying "We know more than you so shut up we are right," trust me that makes you more like the witnesses than you accuse me of.

  I did not say that. I said that you cannot just ignore all the evidence and put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la". Things like the flood are disproven by concrete evidence. Now you might want to say that the story of the flood relates to a local flooding in that region or some other explanation, but saying that less than 4000 years ago the whole globe was deluged and 99.9999% of humankind were killed along with most animals, is simply proven to NOT be true. No amount of wishing will change that fact.

  I may not be a great scientist but I reserve the rght of any person to do my own research and come to my own conclusions,

  Well I'm not a scientist. I admit that. So if I'm truly researching something, I gather as much scientific information as I can and I weigh up the evidence based on what qualified people have found. Now in the scenario where someone shows me lots of scientific studies (and the details of those studies) which show that black is black then I'd be very silly to reach my own conclusion that black is actually white. Do you see my point? I could say to the scientists "you have gotten things wrong before therefore I won't believe you that black is black" and this doesn't make any sense. We might as well say that the earth is not spherical because the scientists have got things wrong before so maybe they're wrong about that too? Even if they show me photographs and evidence that the earth is a sphere I can say "no, you've got things wrong before so I think that the earth is flat."

  Aren't you falling into the trap of hating them and trying to disprove them from that point of view, doesn't that make you more predjudiced than I am? who at least is trying to step back and be in less of a mindset either way for or against?

  I don't hate the individual JWs. I hate the effects of this mind control cult. You also forget that I researched all this 7 or 8 years ago and I've been studying religion ever since. You, by comparison, appear to be completely disinterested in any other faiths. For you, its either JWs or the EVIL world. For you, it appears to be the bible or nothing (atheism). Don't you realise that there is other spirituality out there? This is what I meant by lack of education. Sorry you feel offended but I suppose the truth hurts.

  Lets see what people have said to you in this 9 page thread. Then think about whether you actually listened to any of them.

  R Crusoe
  I think Reniaa that Sirona and Leo are very adept at finding all manner of research to open your eyes to the reality that the WTS will have you blind to!

  Kerj2leev
  Look, it's pretty easy to see, you really want to become a witness again. If that is what you want, then just do it!

  mrsjones5
  Ditto...yeah I read all nine pages

  darkuncle
  I think therapy would be very helpful, as would exploring other spiritualities.

  Jeffro
  But please, please try not to even think in terms of people being either 'in the truth' or 'worldly'. These are harmful concepts designed to make it difficult for you to form close friendships with non-JWs.

  RAYZORBLADE
  blah, blah, blah, blah, Ginger.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/154578/1.ashx

  Voideater
  It sounds like you want to go "back home" because it was "so nice back then and back there".

  I really am inclined to agree with Rayzorblade and say Blah blah blah Ginger. Because no matter what the evidence you are given, you choose to ignore it because in your heart you want to believe the JWs are right.

  Sirona
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  Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(

  by reniaa in

  1. jw
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  i've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!

  i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.

  they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".

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  The world has it's own rules even if the rules are "Do what you want! treat people as you want! as long as it's not illegal it doesn't matter"

  Yes because that is what everyone in the world thinks! Noone in the world has any morals!

  Do you think your "golden rule" is unique?

  	Bahá'í Faith: "Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not." "Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself." Baha'u'llah "And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." Epistle to the Son of the Wolf
  	Brahmanism: "This is the sum of Dharma [duty]: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you". Mahabharata, 5:1517 "
  	Buddhism: "...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353 Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18
  	Christianity: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King James Version. "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31, King James Version. "...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6. The Gospel of Thomas is one of about 40 gospels that were widely accepted among early Christians, but which never made it into the Christian Scriptures (New Testament).
  	Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23 "Tse-kung asked, 'Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?' Confucius replied, 'It is the word 'shu' -- reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'" Doctrine of the Mean 13.3 "Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." Mencius VII.A.4
  	Ancient Egyptian: "Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to 1970 to 1640 BCE and may be the earliest version ever written. 3
  	Hinduism: This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you. Mahabharata 5:1517
  	Humanism: "(5) Humanists acknowledge human interdependence, the need for mutual respect and the kinship of all humanity." "(11) Humanists affirm that individual and social problems can only be resolved by means of human reason, intelligent effort, critical thinking joined with compassion and a spirit of empathy for all living beings. " 4 "Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you, British Humanist Society. 3
  	Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 5
  	Jainism: "Therefore, neither does he [a sage] cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." Acarangasutra 5.101-2. "In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara "A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated. "Sutrakritanga 1.11.33
  	Judaism: "...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.", Leviticus 19:18 "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." Talmud, Shabbat 31a. "And what you hate, do not do to any one." Tobit 4:15 6
  	Native American Spirituality: "Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace. "All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One." Black Elk "Do not wrong or hate your neighbor. For it is not he who you wrong, but yourself." Pima proverb.
  	Roman Pagan Religion: "The law imprinted on the hearts of all men is to love the members of society as themselves."
  	Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form" "Be charitable to all beings, love is the representative of God." Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga
  	Sikhism: Compassion-mercy and religion are the support of the entire world". Japji Sahib "Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone." Guru Arjan Devji 259 "No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend." Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299
  	Sufism: "The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this." Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, Master of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.
  	Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien. "The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49
  	Unitarian:

  "The inherent worth and dignity of every person;"
  "Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.... "
  "The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;"
  "We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part." Unitarian principles. 7,8

  	Wicca: "An it harm no one, do what thou wilt" (i.e. do what ever you will, as long as it harms nobody, including yourself). One's will is to be carefully thought out in advance of action. This is called the Wiccan Rede
  	Yoruba: (Nigeria): "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."
  	Zoroastrianism: "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself". Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5 "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29 http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm

  Of course, all the people in those religions deserve to die, don't they?

  Sirona
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  Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah Ginger

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  blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ginger.

  (quote scripture) blah, blah, blah, blah...ginger.. ginger, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...(refer their quote)...blah, blah, blah.. http://static.flickr.com/47/153603564_7281ad0588.jpg.

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  Sirona

  I've just replied again to the Reniaa thread and I honestly feel like saying

  BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH GINGER!!!!!!

  Some people are just plain stupid.

  Sirona