I lost my baby in January 1999. Thankyou for sharing, Silentlambs.
Posts by Sirona
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22thoughts about miscarriage
by silentlambs ini remember the date, may 15, 1991, it was the date my wife miscarried and a young life was lost.
there was no funeral, few remarks of support.
i will never forget the remark of my mother, well it never was really a baby after all.
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Are we religiously intolerant?
by Sirona inwe are always pointing out the flaws of the jw religion.
does this make us intolerant of the religious beliefs of others?
where do you draw the line?.
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Sirona
Some great points made here. I especially agree with the point regarding children...it is such cruelty to put a young person in that position and to "scare" them into being a JW.
Abaddon said:
Obviously individuals are individuals and religions are another.
This is certainly true. I think thats the mistake that some people make - they hate ALL individual JWs instead of hating the religion or organisation behind it.One should not automatically hold one responsible for the actions of the other.
Simon - yes its the control aspect. I suppose we can never know where to draw the line with religion because so many religions have a degree of control attached to them. Some, like JWs, are worse of course!
Garbage: by "respect" I meant respect their RIGHT to have any beliefs they want as an individual, not respect their actual beliefs. I don't respect the belief that you can't have blood, but I respect someones right to choose if they have blood or not.
Sirona
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Are we religiously intolerant?
by Sirona inwe are always pointing out the flaws of the jw religion.
does this make us intolerant of the religious beliefs of others?
where do you draw the line?.
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Path: yes, I agree. We should respect their decision and not attempt to stop them from attending or anything like that.
Silverleaf: I agree that most intolerance is caused by ignorance. Many people don't understand what paganism is and thats why there are so many problems! Unfortunately, even though Ex-Jws understand the JW faith, they are often intolerant because they don't agree with it. Simply not agreeing with something is not an excuse to give them grief.
Yeru, I agree with you that intolerance would be if we tried to force our belief on them or wouldn't hire them cause they were JW. Many ex-jw's do just that. Rejecting the teaching as false is OK if you dont let it affect how you treat the person (e.g. should always be with respect)
Sirona
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Ancient Egypt and the Isrealites
by MrMoe inok, moe gets serious, in a serious mood.. how accurate is the bible as a history book?
who knows, generally accurate in parts.
25-32 pharaoh basically makes joseph a holy man and.... 33 and now let pharaoh look for a discerning and wise man and put him in charge of the land of egypt.
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SS,
I got that from a book in the library. I don't have its title/author just at this second to give you the reference.
A link posted by Seedy (the first one) shows a little info about how the god wrote directly on stone (just like YHWH)
Sirona
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Are we religiously intolerant?
by Sirona inwe are always pointing out the flaws of the jw religion.
does this make us intolerant of the religious beliefs of others?
where do you draw the line?.
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Ashi, I'm glad you can be honest! LOL.
I just think that in order for others to respect our beliefs, we must respect theirs. BUT if I was harming others or trying to control people, then someone would be well within their rights to tell me I was wrong.
I am pagan. I do not promote any form of mind control and I do not hurt anyone. I'm still attacked about my religion. This is due to people thinking that only their way is correct. People who hate someone just on religious grounds.
Sirona
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Are we religiously intolerant?
by Sirona inwe are always pointing out the flaws of the jw religion.
does this make us intolerant of the religious beliefs of others?
where do you draw the line?.
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Puffsrule
Somewhere along the way you seem to have gotten the impression that I agree with JWs. I don't. I'm simply raising the question about intolerance because I think that sometimes Ex-Jws are have HATRED for jws. I don't agree with that.
You are right about blood and thats what I meant when I said "harm people". The blood thing is wrong. and they DO use mind control. I was just saying that we can point all of these things out from a moral standpoint, but not hate the individuals or act in any way that causes them harm due to our views of their beliefs.
Sirona
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Are we religiously intolerant?
by Sirona inwe are always pointing out the flaws of the jw religion.
does this make us intolerant of the religious beliefs of others?
where do you draw the line?.
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D8TA,
You definately have a point regarding the Gov.Body and how they are responsible. Perhaps the way to look at it is that they have every right to their religious beliefs UNLESS they harm people or use mind-control. If they harm people, it is up to others to point that out. If JWs abolished the disfellowshipping rule and told the R&F that they were free to be any religion (and free to choose their own medical treatments including blood), then overall their religion would be strange, but OK. Its the controlling aspect that makes it wrong.Spaznik: I am pro-choice. We should show respect to JWs who have chosen to remain in the org. However, it is important that they can make an informed choice. About God judging...you are right, but I think that at some point mankind has to judge e.g. if someone is murdering then we must act and judge that person to prevent further murders.
Sirona
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Are we religiously intolerant?
by Sirona inwe are always pointing out the flaws of the jw religion.
does this make us intolerant of the religious beliefs of others?
where do you draw the line?.
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Sirona
Hi All,
We are always pointing out the flaws of the JW religion. Does this make us intolerant of the religious beliefs of others? Where do you draw the line?
We demand that they respect our choice to have left. Do we respect their choice to stay?
I've found it tempting to refer to JWs in a derogatory way. Maybe we should focus on the good or the bad that they do rather than attacking individuals. Thats not to say that we cannot stand up for ourselves if a JW disrespects us.
Recently I've been persecuted for my religious beliefs. I'd like to think that people on this board are promoting religious tolerance, not intolerance.
Sirona
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Ancient Egypt and the Isrealites
by MrMoe inok, moe gets serious, in a serious mood.. how accurate is the bible as a history book?
who knows, generally accurate in parts.
25-32 pharaoh basically makes joseph a holy man and.... 33 and now let pharaoh look for a discerning and wise man and put him in charge of the land of egypt.
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Thanks for the list, Seedy3.
It just so happens that I've been considering this topic this week.
Here's a fact:
Ptah was regarded as the pure Intellect which is the ultimate origin of all creation; and Thoth is the Tongue, the Word, by whom all creation came into existence. This is an early example of the Christian theology of the Word or Logos. In egypt this theology was found in the 20th Dynasty (1200 bc). Genesis was written prior to this, but John's mention of Logos was clearly not until the first century.
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Doomed to be Sad!
by Sirona infirstly, before i say why i'm doomed to be sad, i'd like to give you the good news : i've got the all clear which means that my malignant melanoma skin cancer is all gone!
the surgery worked, so i dont need any more treatment!
so why am i doomed to be sad?
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Sirona
I do have to go for checkups every 3 months, but I don't think it will recur.
Cancer definately changes your life... I've started to make steps towards doing things that I always wanted to but "never got the time". Now I realise life can be cut short so you have to make the best of it NOW.
Thats one of the ways that JWs go wrong. The now isnt as important as the "new system".
Its good to be free to explore new careers, get involved with people at a community level, enjoy hobbies without guilt and go to any place I want (when I want). Rather than being part of an elitist group, I can be part of the human race, and that feels really good.
Sirona