cognisonance

Joined

• started 70 topics
• posted 510 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by cognisonance

• 
  27

  JW TV, this month about evolution

  by bohm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this month the last segment is about evolution.

  one is with a sister with a university education in biochemistry who (presumably) teaches at a highschool or public school.

  she says that left handedness of amino acids indicates life was created because "if it was a random process half would be right handed and half left handed" (paraphrased).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  based on the theory of evolution we would expect to see an abundance of transitional forms to be present in the fossil record. But when we do look at the fossil evidence we just don't see it. We see that the major species come into existence at specific times and their form and structure is still exactly the same as their form and structure today.

  While evolutionary theory does make such predictions (and as Cofty showed Tiktaalik is one such example). The problem with this statement is that it fails to acknowledge that fossilization is extremely rare, is most likely to happen to species that were abundant and around for a long time, and we have only discovered a tiny fraction of the fossils that did form. We keep finding new fossils that match the predictions of evolution theory.
  
  It ignores that evolution does not always happen at a gradual pace. Punctuated equilibrium is the other mode where evolution happens rather quickly (thousands of years, not millions). As a result fossils are unlikely to be recorded in such a tiny geological time frame.
  

  
  
  
• 
  27

  JW TV, this month about evolution

  by bohm in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this month the last segment is about evolution.

  one is with a sister with a university education in biochemistry who (presumably) teaches at a highschool or public school.

  she says that left handedness of amino acids indicates life was created because "if it was a random process half would be right handed and half left handed" (paraphrased).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  Btw. did anyone notice the "left-handedness of amino acids" argument is lifted directly from the "Life? How did it get here" book?

  It's also in Is there a Creator who Cares about You?

  
  
  
• 
  90

  New DNA Study Confirms Noah

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.icr.org/article/9325/.

  amazing read...go on , have a laugh if you want to.. new dna study confirms noah.

  by brian thomas, m.s.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  His research is not scientific. In science, one is supposed to look at all available evidence, and draw conclusions from that evidence.

  Agreed! He apparently failed to do his due diligence at performing a basic literature search on the topic. He only has 2 references, one of which is the bible.

  Sylvia, if it's been that long since you read anything about evolution and can't remember much, I encourage you to look at UC Berkeley's very easy to read online website with an open mind:

  Evolution 101
  
  The evidence for evolution is so strong that it is what caused me to wake up from the JWs! And the link I gave you just scratches the surface.
• 
  33

  JWs exist because...

  by oldskool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one sentence answers only.. here's mine:.

  jws exist because people want an escape from the modern world and are willing to give up intellectual freedom to get it..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  Because people don't honestly question or reason anywhere near as much as they ought to...

  That's an understatement for sure! It's also an endemic issue in the US in general, perhaps pandemic in the world.
• 
  20

  JWs aren't stupid

  by cognisonance in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the title is a bit of click bait.

  but here's the alternative title: what stupid beliefs/ideas did you have while an active jw.. i think the majority of jws that don't have obvious mental health issues are not stupid, just un/under-educated.

  for example, i now accept evolution as a thing, not a controversy or conjecture.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  The title is a bit of click bait. But here's the alternative title: What stupid beliefs/ideas did you have while an active JW.

  I think the majority of JWs that don't have obvious mental health issues are not stupid, just un/under-educated. For example, I now accept evolution as a thing, not a controversy or conjecture. I even actively contribute to research papers and publish in peer-reviewed journals.
  
  Nonetheless, about ~8 years ago I recall saying something fallacious like the following about evolution:
  
  

  "Telling lies is complicated, but the truth is simple. The world has numerous books on evolution, and they are anything but simple. Thus, we know evolution is a lie."

  
  Facepalm.
• 
  33

  JWs exist because...

  by oldskool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one sentence answers only.. here's mine:.

  jws exist because people want an escape from the modern world and are willing to give up intellectual freedom to get it..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  The same reason any other religion exists... the appeal of choosing beliefs that best fit with how you perceive reality to be (but not how it actually is).

  For most JWs, I suspect it's beliefs that best fit their wishful thinking (i.e. the paradise earth teaching being chief among them).
  
• 
  32

  what sort of reactions have you gotten when talking to other jw when telling them the "truth about the truth"?

  by AmIright in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  its funny ive read some stories on here about how they have become so infuriated by what logic dictates as being true and their own denying of it because it completely screws up their belief and shows how hypocritical it is xd some look like a nuclear reactor about to blow xd.

  share you experiences here :) .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  I literally had one person put fingers in his/her ears and start humming!
• 

  Peter and Rosemary Grant's Research on Darwin's Finches

  by cognisonance in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i'm taking a college general biology course this summer and came across this chart:.

  the interesting thing about the above chart is that this was talked about in was life created (p. 21).

  the writers conclude that "prestigious scientific academies are not above reporting evidence in a biased manner," as it to imply the watchtower is not.

• 

  cognisonance

  So I'm taking a college general biology course this summer and came across this chart:
  

  The interesting thing about the above chart is that this was talked about in Was Life Created? (p. 21). The writers conclude that "prestigious scientific academies are not above reporting evidence in a biased manner," as if to imply the Watchtower does not. Their evidence of such a claim? The research of Peter and Rosemary Grant showed how during years of drought survivors had much larger beaks, and suggests if this type of selective pressure continued in the long term a new species could evolve. However, the Watchtower writers thinks there is bias in this explanation as they mention, "the [National Academy of Sciences] brochure neglects to mention that in the years following the drought, finches with smaller beaks again dominated the population."

  That NAS brochure they are referring to was from 1999, so "the drought" is the first one in this graph. The irony here is that the Watchtower claims scientists omit information, but it turns out this is exactly what Was Life Created? is doing. The missing fact is that the arrival of a competitor species (G. magnirostris) with larger beaks was the reason for the decline in G. fortis beak size in the years following the drought. There were two, not just one, selective pressures going on (drought and competition), and importantly, these two pressures acted in opposite directions on the beak size of the finches under study. That's a pretty big omission!
• 
  28

  Stories From the Back Room

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (i am still a serving elder.

  i have no idea how much longer i can stomach it.

  timing is terrible for stepping down right now, though.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  In the meantime I'll read Ayn Rand novels in secret

  You do realize that Ayn Rand's ideas, Objectivism, and the often intersecting romanticizing of free-markets share a lot of cult-like properties.
  
  Instead of reading Ayn Rand, why don't you read the works of Noam Chomsky, who exposes the TTATT regarding other important topics that also have massive impacts on the lives of people.
  
  For example here is one recent interview with him.
• 
  19

  Question for Cofty about God and Bible defences

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought about sending you a pm but it might make an interesting open discussion.

  i've seen you express the lack of good pro-god ex-witnesses to engage with.

  i don't know about ex-witnesses, but there are a few witnesses who've written on these issues.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  cognisonance

  Impressed isn't the word I'd use. I find his paper dizzying trying to read and follow. Weaving arguments together, no mater how elegant one might appear in doing so, if built on the same fundamental premises (the flood, C14 dating unreliable, in particular) becomes problematic if the premise is false or the arguments fallacious (kind of like how JWs argue about some much from a foundation of just a few incorrect premises). To discuss arguments made in this paper would require focusing on just one of them and not jumping around to all kinds of other arguments. It reminds me of this graphic: