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Friend With A Jehovah Witness For 5yrs?

by TheNurseInBlack in

it's basically what the topic says, the first two years we had a beautiful relationship.

religion never came up and we almost had everything in common.

she did bring up religion (i don't know why if it was so important to her that she decided to wait 2yrs to bring up religion in the first place) after she started to try to preach to me the very next day once she realized that we didn't share the same beliefs.

TheNurseInBlack

She is currently active right now. She was born in the JW's and does go to meetings and does go to field services.

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Friend With A Jehovah Witness For 5yrs?

by TheNurseInBlack in

it's basically what the topic says, the first two years we had a beautiful relationship.

religion never came up and we almost had everything in common.

she did bring up religion (i don't know why if it was so important to her that she decided to wait 2yrs to bring up religion in the first place) after she started to try to preach to me the very next day once she realized that we didn't share the same beliefs.

TheNurseInBlack

It's basically what the topic says, the first two years we had a beautiful relationship. Religion never came up and we almost had everything in common. She did bring up religion (I don't know why if it was so important to her that she decided to wait 2yrs to bring up religion in the first place) after she started to try to preach to me the VERY next day once she realized that we didn't share the same beliefs. I brushed it off of course until it became more constant as we grew older. Eventually I decided to look into the Jehovah witnesses for what they really are so that I could fully defend myself when we decided to speak. Since then I've been able to win at every single debate and she no longer tries to discuss anything religious with me any longer. I'm guessing its to avoid me proving her wrong about anything but this leaves a couple of questions. I'm sure the first couple of times when she brought up her beliefs was to try to "save" me and I can respect that. But after awhile it seemed more like personal attacks the more we talked.

This whole situation did make me see less of are friendship though. I can't stop thinking about all the negatives of her religion especially how they see outsider since we don't talk about religion anymore its hard to bring up how she really thinks of me. And it hurts me inside and caused me a lot of stress over the years thinking about it. I'm also wondering if anything I've ever said has gotten to her too. I feel awkward bringing up anything from her religion because it always turns into something it doesn't need to be. Plus I have anxiety even over the internet so it's just hard to speak about it . Any advice will do. I really do wish to continue being her friend.

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Conditional Friendships?

by TheNurseInBlack in

jw
friends

we use to be great friends, religion was never an issue and we could be on the phone hours on end.

she always told me how much of a good friend i was but when she brought up religion and told her i didn't believe that way and that "i hope that doesn't get in the way of are friendship.

" it didn't that night but the morning after she began to preach to me, back then i didn't really know much about the bible to speak out or show her any flaws but now i do and now it's been constant debates (that i win) but i hate that are friendship even has to have that in their.

TheNurseInBlack

Thanks everyone for your answers.

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Conditional Friendships?

by TheNurseInBlack in

jw
friends

we use to be great friends, religion was never an issue and we could be on the phone hours on end.

she always told me how much of a good friend i was but when she brought up religion and told her i didn't believe that way and that "i hope that doesn't get in the way of are friendship.

" it didn't that night but the morning after she began to preach to me, back then i didn't really know much about the bible to speak out or show her any flaws but now i do and now it's been constant debates (that i win) but i hate that are friendship even has to have that in their.

TheNurseInBlack

We use to be great friends, religion was never an issue and we could be on the phone hours on end. She always told me how much of a good friend I was but when she brought up religion and told her I didn't believe that way and that "I hope that doesn't get in the way of are friendship." It didn't that night but the morning after she began to preach to me, back then I didn't really know much about the bible to speak out or show her any flaws but now I do and now it's been constant debates (That I win) But I hate that are friendship even has to have that in their. It didn't fully bother me until later on. But now I'm concerned on the way she views me and what her group teaches her about people outside of the organization.
"If we stop actively supporting Jehovah's work, then we start following Satan. There is no middle ground." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.18

"But Jehovah's servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

"But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy." Watchtower 1993 Sep 15 p.22

And the most recent one
Our choice of associates.Of course, some contact with unbelievers—such as at school, at work, and when sharing in the ministry—is unavoidable. It is quite another matter, though, to socialize with them, even cultivating close friendships with them. Do we justify such association by saying that they have many good qualities? “Do not be misled,” warns the Bible. “Bad associations spoil useful habits.” (1 Cor. 15:33) Just as a small amount of pollution can contaminate clean water, friendship with those who do not practice godly devotion can contaminate our spirituality and lead us into adopting worldly viewpoints, dress, speech, and conduct."

WT Study Feb. 15, 2013.

It makes it seem like she's not really my friend. That she thinks I'm with Satan because I can see flaws. I hate that she thinks that they have all the answers when there's no proof, when there's been many faults. Anyone can just follow what someone tells them to do. It takes will bravery to question and search for your own beliefs.And she was one of my truest friends all these years and it's killing me mentally thinking it's all going away because she blindly follows anything they say. I really wish to talk to her about it but I have bad anxiety and tend to feel like to pass out when I'm head on with a problem. Any advice?

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Antisocial behavior encouraged

by braincleaned in

"our choice of associates.of course, some contact with unbelieverssuch as at school, at work, and when sharing in the ministryis unavoidable.

it is quite another matter, though, to socialize with them, even cultivating close friendships with them.

do we justify such association by saying that they have many good qualities?

TheNurseInBlack

This makes me sick to my stomach reading this.

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A couple of Jehovah Witness stumpers! Add some if you like

by TheNurseInBlack in

these are some questions that i ask the jehovah witnesses.

i hope you find them useful .

disclaimer: these are questions i found on the iternet and from other sources of research.

TheNurseInBlack

These are some questions that I ask the Jehovah witnesses. I hope you find them useful

Disclaimer: These are questions I found on the iternet and from other sources of research. Only the first one is really mine.

1)

"If we stop actively supporting Jehovah's work, then we start following Satan. There is no middle ground." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.18
So of course someone who is following Satan can not certainly make it to paradise
But on the website they state
Do You Feel That You Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved?
No. Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation. The Bible explains that in God’s promised new world, “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) Additionally, many now living may yet begin to serve God, and they too will gain salvation. In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.—John 5:22, 27.

So I don't understand what they believe. Do you have to be a Jehovah witness to be saved or not?

"But Jehovah's servants already belong to the ONLY organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things." Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

So I don't understand what they believe. Do you have to be a Jehovah witness to be saved or not?

Or is this just a blatant contradiction?

2) If they are no longer a brother Therefore, could the counsel of vs 11 (quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.) be applied to him after his expulsion from the congregation? Is he not now part of the world? Would not then vs. 10 now apply to him? As he now is no longer an insider but an outsider Jesus counsel at Matt. 18:17 would apply – “If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.” Yes, he would be treated as anybody else that is not part of the congregation. Jesus ate meals and had dealings with many sinners and tax collectors.

So we see from these Watchtower cites that the disfellowshipped person is no longer a brother and therefore the counsel of brother not taking brother to court doesn’t apply. Is it not a double standard to then apply “quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man” to a disfellowshipped person when he is no longer a brother? How can one say in 1 Corinthians chap.5 the DFed person is a “brother”, but in 1 Corinthians chap. 6 he is not a brother?

3) In June 1991, the Watchtower denounced the Catholic Church for having 24 organizations represented at the United Nations. This was true. The Catholic Church had 24 NGOs (Non-Governmental Organizations) maintained by the Catholic Church for the UN. However, at the same time as this article was being released, the Watchtower was applying to be an NGO with the UN in 1991. They were granted association in 1992. They didn't remove themselves as an NGO until 2001! How can you not see the blatant hypocrisy here?

4) I'm sure you remember the situation in Malawi decades ago. Jehovah's Witnesses were not permitted to purchase an inexpensive political card due to their neutral stance. Nothing can justify the action the people took against the Witnesses. Many brothers and sisters were tortured and killed. They suffered greatly. The question we need to ask is, did they suffer needlessly?

At the same time that Witnesses were forbidden to hold a political card in Malawi, a comparable situation arose in Mexico. The Governing Body ruled in the complete opposite direction. In Mexico, military service was a requirement for young men. When they would complete their obligation they would receive a card, which was similar to the card in Malawi. The brothers who didn't go in for military service were persecuted and imprisoned. However, in complete contradiction of their position in Malawi, the Watchtower gave the Mexican brothers the option to bribe officials to obtain the card and thus be exempted from military service.

So the brothers in Mexico were permitted to illegally obtain a card to avoid persecution and continue in theocratic work while the brothers and sisters in Malawi were not permitted to legally obtain a card to avoid persecution and continue in theocratic work. How is this okay?

5) In Gen 28:13, Jehovah revealed himself to Jacob saying, "I am Jehovah the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac."

b. But in Ex 6:3, Jehovah said to Moses, "I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them."

Questions:
1) These verses completely contradict each other in the New World Translation. Which one of them is true?

2) Is it possible that the translators of the NWT were overzealous in wanting to include the name "Jehovah" and so they inserted it in Genesis without realizing the contradiction they were creating by doing so?

3) Did the translators make a mistake?

4) Because it only takes one error to be imperfect, how can the Watchtower claim that the NWT is God's pure and perfect word?

. God's word says in I Cor 11:26 that "For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come."

b. The Watchtower today teaches that Jesus returned in 1914 and that he will not physically return at a second coming. (Live Forever pages 147-149)

Questions:
1) If Jesus returned in 1914 and will not physically return to earth again, then why does the Watchtower teach Witnesses to continue remembering the Lord's death when Paul commanded us to remember it only until Jesus came back?

2) Does it make sense to continue having memorial services for someone who is already with us here and now?

3) How do we know from God's word alone that Jesus returned in 1914?

6) Obviously, the NKJV chose to translate this word as worship. The New World Translation (NWT), however, chose to translate this word as obeisance (honor, respect) in all the above verses. What becomes interesting about the NWT, is that whenever the same Greek word, proskuneo, is used in relation to the Father, the translators translated it as worship, even though they rendered it differently in relation to Jesus. (This can be verified by looking in the Watchtower’s own Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures.) Is this a double standard? Is the NWT justified in translating this word 2 different ways; as obeisance to Jesus and as worship to the Father? Let’s look in the NWT at what Peter did when he was given obeisance.

Acts 10:24-26 “On the day after that he entered into Caes·a·re'a. Cornelius, of course, was expecting them and had called together his relatives and intimate friends. As Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet and did obeisance to him. But Peter lifted him up, saying: “Rise; I myself am also a man.” (NWT)

Interestingly, Peter refused this act of obeisance. Why did Peter so strongly oppose this act if obeisance only means honor and respect? Because, according to Peter, this act is reserved for God only, not man. Note, however, that unlike Peter, Jesus never sought to correct His followers when they bowed down and gave him obeisance. Jesus considered this act perfectly appropriate." Is this a mistake?

7) W hat is the mystery of GOD and the father and the christ in colossians 2:2

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I Thing Being Friends With My Jehovah Witness Friend is Taking A Mental Toll On Me?

by TheNurseInBlack in

everything was great untill about two years ago untill she realized i wasn't a jehovah witness.

i didn't notice it before but now i noticed the next day she began to give me verses about the "truth".

it recently got worse with her religious debates lately i've been able to prove her wrong with most of them.

TheNurseInBlack

We met at school. At school we've never discussed religion or anything she even calls me her best friend and comes to me about her troubles. She's always been a Jehovah witness since birth. And I don't have a religion. We have been friends for 4yrs now but at first she didn't bring up religious meanings until she realized that we didn't share the same beliefs.

And thank you everyone else who's answered me.

It's kinda depressing though. When I do win a debate all she does is say "I'll research it" and never brings it up again.

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I Thing Being Friends With My Jehovah Witness Friend is Taking A Mental Toll On Me?

by TheNurseInBlack in

everything was great untill about two years ago untill she realized i wasn't a jehovah witness.

i didn't notice it before but now i noticed the next day she began to give me verses about the "truth".

it recently got worse with her religious debates lately i've been able to prove her wrong with most of them.

TheNurseInBlack

We know eachother in real life. We just never talked about religion untill she brough up paradise and the limited about of people going to heaven. And I told her that I didn't believe that and that's when then preaching started.

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I Thing Being Friends With My Jehovah Witness Friend is Taking A Mental Toll On Me?

by TheNurseInBlack in

everything was great untill about two years ago untill she realized i wasn't a jehovah witness.

i didn't notice it before but now i noticed the next day she began to give me verses about the "truth".

it recently got worse with her religious debates lately i've been able to prove her wrong with most of them.

TheNurseInBlack

Everything was great untill about two years ago untill she realized I wasn't a Jehovah Witness. I didn't notice it before but now I noticed the next day she began to give me verses about the "Truth". It recently got worse with her religious debates lately I've been able to prove her wrong with most of them. But now I'm afraid that she'll tell somebody about are talks and they'll associate me as a bad associate. I really love her and she's my best friend but being paranoid all the time about this its starting to really get to me. I recently read that all Jehovah think that you are with Satan if your not in there organization. And it makes me wonder if she thinks of me that way. . .

I don't like the thought that she looks down on me either because I celebrate holidays or do the things she thinks is pagan or wrong

I just need some mental support right now. And what would you do in this situation?

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Why don't Jehovah's Witnesses Celebrate Thanksgiving?

by God_Delusion in

hi guys,.

being a brit living abroad, i never really understood the whole thanksgiving business.. i think growing up as a jw didn't help either.

anyway, i've rid myself of those jw shackles and have decided to take an interest into the goings on over the pond, especially as my favourite place on earth is bar harbor.

TheNurseInBlack

Because it has pagan roots.

Just like everything else that we do. But they only look at the things they want.

Marriage has a ton of pagan roots but they still do it