Why not just say I heard you believe Jesus came back to kingdom power in 1914. Can you please show me from your bible. I find that very interesting and have never heard that from my church. When they reach for a book I say no I asked to see it from your BIBLE not read from a book. spoiler alert they can't
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9Ran into JW's manning a table/booth at the beach.
by PaintedToeNail incame across 2 of these 'booths' in 2 days.
one at the int'l airport we landed at (hubby asked directions from them, they were knowledgable about the airport and very nice) and the other at a pier on the beach...hubby had to race over and say hi to them and i was standing there.
the 'brother' was an arrogant boob.
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Inside Australia's chilling new cult, an xJW is the leader
by finallysomepride inin a 10 month investigation, sunday night infiltrates one of the worlds most worrying new cults.
but most chilling, this cult is australian, spreading and described as worse than waco.
we go inside the cults headquarters to meet the leaders and their followers who claim their lives have been changed forever.. http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/.
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Hey he learned from the best. How to create a cult by the WBTS
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It is that time of year again... I AM INVITING YOU ALL TO THE 2014 MEMORIAL OF JESUS DEATH
by suavojr inyes, it time to gather and 'keep doing this in remembrance of me.
1 cor.
11:24 .. come all to our best memorial ever!
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Is that the same Jesus they use in the English tract.
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Our Kingdom ministry March 2013 Question
by RobertT18 inis it true that the march ministry is hinting that this year will be the last memorial, someone just said that today in the service, just wanted to confirm.. .
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edit: forgot to add the month..
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Could this mornings dump I took be my last? I don't know. But evidently it well very could be. Many will say in the last days where is this promised of not having to take a dump? Why since the begining of time you have been taking dumps. The evidence is clear soooon dumps will be no more. Are you all striving for that day! Clap clap thunderous applause.
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How do Jehovah's Witnesses get from 1914 to 1919?
by God_Delusion inhi guys and gals,.
i have written an article that explains how the watchtower society gets from 607 bce to 1914 (http://www.jehovahswitnessblog.com/faqs/why-is-1914-important/) but i need some input so that i can write an article on how they get from 1914 to (via 1918) 1919.. are we talking about ezra, 1:2-4 when the persian king cyrus allows the israelites to go and rebuild the temple 3 and a half years after exiling them?
if so, how has the watchtower used this passage to get to 1919??.
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from jwfacts
1260 days
At Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 11:3-6 it discusses a period of 3 ½ years, or 1260 days. During the 1800's the Watchtower claimed this was prophetic of 1260 years. Now it is said to be a period of days that roughly correspond to 1260 literal days. There have been at least 11 changes, spanning 9 different periods of time.
1260 Days Source Begins Ends 1 Zion’s Watch Tower Apr 1880 538 AD 1798 AD 2 Zion’s Watch Tower 1898 Sep 1 and 15 539 AD 1799 AD 3 Zion’s Watch Tower 1915 Aug 1 325 AD or 539 AD 1585 AD or 1799 AD 4 Watchtower 1929 Dec 15 1 Oct 1914 1 Apr 1918 5 Light 1 (1930) 7 Nov 1914 7 May 1918 6 Watchtower 1951 1 Oct 1914 1 Apr 1918 7 Finished Mystery (1969) 4 Oct 1914 26 Mar 1918 8 Incoming World Government (1977) 28 Dec 1914 21 Jun 1918 9 Revelation Climax (1988) 28 Jul 1914 Early 1918 10 Watchtower 1993 Nov 1 pp.9-10 Dec 1914 21 June 1918 11 Kingdom Ministry Sep 2006 Dec 1914 Jun 1918 As the 1260 days do not line up exactly with any relevant, literal time period of importance to the Watchtower, numerous adjustments have been made; none compelling, most not even 1260 days. These have related to:
- Papal Rule
- World War One
- The End of the Gentile Times
- The arrest of Rutherford
- The sentencing of Rutherford
1800's
Originally, the Watchtower used the principal of "a day for a year" to conclude the 1260 dayswere representative of 1260 years. The 1260 days were explained to be a 1260 year period of power for the Papal Church. At first this was 538 A.D. - 1798 A.D. states:
"If a prophecy clearly belongs to a certain power, and its measure is given in "days," and yet it required just that many years to fulfill it, we are clearly justified in understanding a "day" in that case, to symbolize a year. And that the people of Rome and Italy acknowledged and submitted to the supremacy of the papal church, from A. D. 538 to 1798, is clearly supported by the facts of history." Three Worlds (1877) p.112
"The prophecy, both in Daniel and Revelation, demands that this power should continue to hold, "times and laws," 1260 days, or a "time, times, and half a time," or "forty-two months;" all of which are used in Rev. 12: and 13:, as one and the same. In 1798 the time expired, the 1260 years were ended." Ibid p.114
"The exact day on which that 1260 year period ended, was February 15th, 1798. That was the day the papal civil power ended, and the republic was declared from the capitol in Rome." Ibid p.117
(See also Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Dec p.7)
When Russell realised that papal rule started in 539 A.D., he adjusted the period to 539 A.D. - 1799 A.D., despite this conflicting with his previous statements that Papal rule ended in 1798.
"Literally in the three and one half years in Elijah's day in which there was no rain (James 5:17) and spiritually in the three and one half times, or 1260 years, from A. D. 539 to 1799 in which the showers of blessing were withheld from the world" Studies in the Scriptures VII - Finished Mystery p.173
1900's
In the 1900's, the 1260 days were changed from prophetic years to literal days.
In 1930, Light I explained the 1260 days extended from the November 7 1914 release of a specific Watch Tower article, to the May 7th 1918 date of issue of an arrest order on Rutherford and the Watchtower board members. This is a period of 1277 days.
"The article published in the November 1 issue of The Watch Tower would be in the hands of its readers by the end of the first week or about the seventh day of November, 1914. Forty-two months of thirty days each, or 1260 days, which is equivalent to three and one-half years solar time, beginning the first week in November, to wit, November 7, 1914, would end on the 7th day of May, 1918. Exactly forty-two months after the publication of the forementioned "sackcloth" article in The Watch Tower, to wit, on the 7th day of May, 1918, all the officers of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and who were then the publishers of The Watch Tower, were "overcome", in this, that they were arrested under warrant charging a violation of the espionage law and trading with the enemy, and their work stopped." Light I pp.198,199
In 1969, the start of the 1260 days was changed to extend from the end of Gentile Times (October 4th 1914) to the memorial of March 26th 1918. (See Then is Finished the Mystery of God, pp.261-263) This is a period of 1269 days.
In 1977, the start of the 1260 days was changed to Dec 28th 1914, ending June 21st 1918. December 28th was an arbitrary date, supposedly representing the period from when the Bible Students expected to be persecuted, until Rutherford's prison sentencing. This is a period of 1271 days.
"The "finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces" evidently occurred on June 21, 1918. On that day the American federal court sentenced the president and the secretary-treasurer of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and five of their headquarters associates to long prison terms, amounting to a total of 140 years. Well, June 21, 1918, fell, according to the Biblical lunar calendar, on Tammuz 11, 1918. Three lunar years back from that, or Tammuz 11, 1915, fell on June 23, 1915. Then the half of a lunar year, or six lunar months, back from that would be Tebeth 11, 1914, which coincided with December 28, 1914. That date, December 28, 1914, was very appropriate. During the year from early in January the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society had been showing the famous Photo-Drama of Creation." Our Incoming World Government - God's Kingdom pp.128-129
In 1988, the Revelation book went back to the 1969 interpretation.
"Additionally, at the beginning of the Lord's day, there was a marked period of three and a half years when the hard experiences of God's people matched the events prophesied here-starting from the outbreak of the first world war in the latter part of 1914 and continuing to the early part of 1918." Revelation - It's Great Climax is at Hand! p.164
In 1993, the Watchtower returned to the 1977 interpretation.
"Since January 1914 they had been showing the Photo-Drama of Creation, a Biblical presentation that drew attention to Daniel's prophecies. In the summer of that year in the Northern Hemisphere, war broke out. In October, the appointed times ended. By the end of the year, the anointed remnant were expecting persecution, as seen from the fact that the year text chosen for 1915 was Jesus' question to his disciples, "Are ye able to drink of my cup?" based on Matthew 20:22, King James Version. Hence, from December 1914, this small band of witnesses 'preached in sackcloth,' humbly enduring as they announced Jehovah's judgments. Finally, on June 21, 1918, J. F. Rutherford, the new president, together with the directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, was sentenced on false charges to a long term in prison. Thus, at the end of the prophetic period, the "little horn" killed the organized public preaching work." Watchtower 1993 Nov 1 pp.9-10
In 2007, Jehovah's Witnesses once more reviewed the 1993 Revelation book at their Book Study. The September 2006 Kingdom Ministry insert made the following change regarding the 1260 days. The period of December 1914 to Jun 21st 1918 could be anywhere between 1268 and 1298 days.
Amusingly, a Witness will consider this "new light", when in actual fact it was old light from 1977, re-replacing incorrect new light.
It is interesting that from December 28th to June 21st is not 1260 days, but 1271 days. Additionally, why start December 1914? World War 1 started in August and the Gentile times apparently ended in October. The Watchtower simply decided the event of June 21st 1918 to have been an auspicious date, worthy of prophecy, and then counted back roughly 1260 solar days to a non-eventful month in 1914. In fact, counting back 1260 days from June 21 1918 arrives at January 8th 1915 . However, the Watchtower has no interest in 1915 and a significant amount in 1914. If the 1260 days are to be taken as a literal prophecy, it would make sense that they relate exactly to a 1260 day period. Each of the Watchtower interpretations are irrelevant and poorly contrived.
Note: The 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 are not to be confused with the 1260 days of Revelation12:6. This second period is described as "extending in the Northern Hemisphere from the spring of 1919 to the autumn of 1922. This was a period of refreshing recuperation and reorganization for the restored John class." Revelation - It's Great Climax is at Hand! p.18
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First video of jw's reaction to oppening of new bethel compound dedication
by trujw inhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jf-0xwmpwts&list=plee829caad539ac11&feature=plpp .
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they go really crazy at minute 1:18
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First video of jw's reaction to oppening of new bethel compound dedication
by trujw inhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jf-0xwmpwts&list=plee829caad539ac11&feature=plpp .
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Thank you Jehovah for JW Library App! - Food at the proper time ... actual comments from users
by wannabefree inwarning!
awesome!
so thankful for all the amazing provisions jehovah has given us.
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I would really like to know just WHO created this app. Just like they out source to worldly lawyers for their sex abuse cases who wants to bet most of the real technical issues of this app were created by non jws. Heck all the programs and underlining technology was from satans minons
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A letter from my brother Nathan to my uncle in 1978 when Nathan was at Bethel
by Magwitch inmy uncle recently died and apparently he never threw anything away.
among many things he held onto was a letter that my brother wrote to my uncle in 1978 from bethel.
my brother was in the same hall as howard zenke (a real heavy at bethel) and nathan rode to all the meetings with howard and beana.
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trujw
As was brought out by Raymond Franz some on the governing body didn't believe it either. Or why would they bring it before the body to change it to when Sputnik went into outer space. Sometimes the anger overtakes me. How these men can then print the May 15th 1984 Watchtower. My mother wont talk to me because of these lying men. It reminds me of a story I heard about Heavens Gate cult. They bought a telescope from a local shop. Not just any telescope but a $3,645 computerized Telescope. When they took it back to the compound and looked for the spaceship in Hale bopp comet tail guess what it wasn't there. The story goes they then returned the telescope and asked for their money back. The reason given by the cult members was it is defective. Sometimes no matter what evidence is given the power to want to believe is more powerful than any evidence in the world. Sadly it cost them their lives also as sad it has cost me my family. Let us never give up in bringing down this house of evil.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-04-02/news/9704020119_1_ufo-hale-bopp-telescope
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Role Reversal: Placing 1969 Awake with JW's Manning the New Portable Literature Displays
by snapdragon4 inin recent weeks the jw’s here in the uk have been setting up their new portable watchtower literature displays in my local town square on a saturday morning.
as they hadn’t knocked on my door for at least five years, and consequently feeling somewhat neglected, i thought that i would pay them a visit instead.. .
the first thing i needed to do was arrange my literature.
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It reminds me of a jw at my door. We were talking about blood. I was trying to reason in a way I didn't give away too much about me being an exjw Mentioning saving a life and its precious to god. So she says would you let a doctor sleep with your daughter if he said it would save her and break gods law? I said your illustration proves my point is a little forinaction ok? Confused she said no absolutly not. I replied Why then does your religion allow blood fraction? She stammered and stuttered turned beet red then literally turned to start to walk away. I said wait one more thing. I will pray for you. It was like micheal Jackson moon walking forward her feet moved so fast to leave After that comment. Ahhh made my day!
