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MAJOR DOCTRINE CHANGE IN 1/15/2014 WT ON GENERATION TEACHING
by EndofMysteries in
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the generation scripture no longer is speaking about 'the end'.

i'll quote it...... side note: tons of lies in this article, i'll point out at the end of the post.

"yet, jesus words at matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of "this generation will by no means pass away" before seeing the start of the great tribulation.".
notsurewheretogo

Let us be clear on this as the Jan 15th study edition is a huge change yet again to this overlapping generation idea...

It is NOT an overlapping generation in terms of birth and death...it is NOT for instance that someone who was alive in 1914 and understood what was occurring overlaps in their life with someone now who is anointed and sees the end...

No no...it is someone who WAS ANOINTED AT 1914 (so had to be at least 18 years old right?) who then overlaps with some today who WAS ANOINTED when they lived alongside the first guy and THIS ANOINTED person will see the end.

Thus if the guy at 1914 was 18 and anointed he was born in 1896...if he lived till 90 say then he dies at 1986...that would mean the overlapping anointed person would need to be anointed prior to 1986 to qualify as overlapping so let us say extraordinarily an 18 year old is anointed at 1986 that would mean he was born in 1968.

It is 2013, that person is now 45 years old and he will see the end.

But of course that is using extremes of 18 years old and being anointed which is highly unlikely, as is 90 years old for the death of the first anointed guy. What this means is the age of the anointed second person will actually be MUCH OLDER than the minimum of 45 years old HENCE why they say in the article that second overlapping generation are already advanced in years...

And what this means to a dub is just one thing...the Big A is right here...on the brink...they should be getting super excited about this article...

I know I am but for a different reason...because when nothing happens they will have to readjust AGAIN the generation teaching.

Remember, they get all of this from just this scripture:

Matthew 24:34 - "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have occurred."
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What if Jehovah's Witnesses were right about Armageddon...
by Comatose in
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but god has changed his mind?

according to the bible god can and does change his mind.

the example of jonah comes to mind.
notsurewheretogo

"What if Jehovah's Witnesses were right about Armageddon..."

Just stop there...that sentence is not logical.
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A Challenge for Jehovahs Witness Apologists : Identify What Jesus Christ Has Accomplished In His Nearly Complete 100 Year Reign From 1914
by smiddy in
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i for one would be very interested , if you can quantify what his acheivements have been , these past almost 100 years .. incidental acheivements could do for a start ,.

followed by more meaningfull acheivements ,.

then to top it off , with his major acheivements that he can be accredited with these past 99 years of his kingdom rule ,.
notsurewheretogo

100 years? But he returned in 1874, or was it 1878? Or was it...
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Armageddon question
by caroline77 in
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who do jw's think is going to kill everyone at armageddon?.

how will it happen?.

what is their evidence?.
notsurewheretogo

Anyone executed at the hands of Jehoover will not be brought back...so those in the flood...those in Jerusalem at 70 CE...those at the Big A (7 billion of them)...ALL OF THEM...not brought back...only those who died in ignorance or not at the hands of Jehoover will be brought back...
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Armageddon question
by caroline77 in
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who do jw's think is going to kill everyone at armageddon?.

how will it happen?.

what is their evidence?.
notsurewheretogo

Who do JW's think is going to kill everyone at Armageddon?

Angels...humans are told to "stand still and see the Salvation of Jehovah"

How will it happen?

It starts with a Great Tribulation where the UN attack false religion and end up attacking JW's last, this is like attacking Jehoover and He comes via JC and the angels, probably using the natural elements too and systematically destroys all unfaithful humans.

What is their evidence?

It says so in the bible, according to their interpretation.

Who will be resurrected afterwards? Only JW's?

No, everyone prior to the Great Tribulation will be brought back those faithful first, then the unfaithful...barring a certain few like Adam & Eve, Sodom & Gomorrah etc
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Question for JW apologists...
by Jeffro in
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the new new world translation translates jeremiah 29:10 as follows:.

10 for this is what jehovah says, when 70 years at babylon are ful?lled, i will turn my attention to you, and i will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.. the official watch tower society teaching is that by the end of the 70 years, the jews were back in judea, and that their actual arrival in judea marks the end of the "70 years".

*** si p. 85 par.
notsurewheretogo

What is good about this thread and this point is though that whilst the whole 607 BCE and 70 years is a massive topic there in a nutshell in one ot two paragraphs it is refuted...
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No Holy Spirit, but 24 elders
by pixel in
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"it seems that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today".. w07 1/1 pp.

27-28 the first resurrectionnow under way *** now under way?.

from the time of the apostle john and on into the lords day, anointed christians were puzzled as to the identity of the great crowd.
notsurewheretogo

Surely they mean the 24 elders are communicating to the FDS sorry I mean the GB via Holy Spirit...how else would they communicate?
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How to prove God does not exist?
by UBM101 in
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many times (almost all the time) atheists asking for proof of god's existence from those who believe that god exists.

perhaps at times they should prove he doesn't exist.

any taker?
notsurewheretogo

The reason why we don't believe in ghosts, vampires, wearwolves, mummys, ghouls, zombies etc is due to one fact.

That in this day of age with billions of mobile devices that can capture pictures and video there is not one real video, or real picture that proves they exist.

Same logic to God...thousands of years of human history recorded...not one line of proof that there is a God...

End of.
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New 1975? Jan 1st WT 2014
by notsurewheretogo in
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this post was taken from reddit exjw but makes a very good point:.

these are two paragraphs of the watchtower of january 1st 2014.... .

i don't know about you guys, but in my mind, i'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 i've read.
notsurewheretogo

I think everyone who knows TTATT sees this as an absolute mess...I'm going to go over it with my still-in wife to see how a dub sees this...
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New 1975? Jan 1st WT 2014
by notsurewheretogo in
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this post was taken from reddit exjw but makes a very good point:.

these are two paragraphs of the watchtower of january 1st 2014.... .

i don't know about you guys, but in my mind, i'm seeing a deja vu of the articles before 1975 i've read.
notsurewheretogo

@Pistoff...it means that they are some who are anointed today who are alive that did not overlap with anyone who was alive and anointed during 1914...for instance let us say an anointed person who is 50, born in 1963 and was anointed at 40 so in 2003 they had their "calling".

In 2003 there are none of the anointed alive who were anointed in 1914 thus this person is NOT part of the second group that overlaps the first.