Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Off to Edinburgh With JWFacts.com cards

by cofty in

we are going to edinburgh today to see what's going at the festival, go out for a meal and probably see a show.. i have made up some cards with the jwfacts.com logo to hand to jws on the trolleys.

there is nothing on the cards part from the logo.

ttatt is only a click away..

notsurewheretogo

Cofty, head to Glasgow next weekend when the Regional is on and hand them out there...

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Anti-christ

by oldflame in

do you know who the son of perdition is ?

do you know he is here and active today more than ever ?

do you know that america is the mystery babylon spoken of in scripture ?

notsurewheretogo

Is the OP a cross-dressing singer? Reminds me of another poster who used to be here...

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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

notsurewheretogo

ADCMS labels the process EXACTLY as it is...

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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

notsurewheretogo

Indeed ADCMS....how does the process work?

Holy Spirit moves several elders to recommend brother suckup to be appointed as an elder
CO gets info, assume he prays over it and discusses with body of elders
All agree he should be appointed
CO asks him the questions
Brother suckup breaks down and cries as he has molestated young childre

Questions...

Why did the HS move the elders to discuss him in the first instance?
Why did the CO then agree to this decision?
Why didn't Jehoove stop it at ANY point in the process?
Why does it rely on the brother being appointed to confess? Child molesters are devious people who can be very good at lying
Again, what was the HS doing????????

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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

notsurewheretogo

You can see what the WT is up to with these notes on that letter:

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In chapter 3, paragraph 23, cross out the existing sentences in the last bullet point.
In chapter 3, in the subheading preceding paragraph 25, cross out the words “Branch Office” and replace them with the words “Circuit Overseer.”
In chapter 3, paragraph 25, in the first sentence, cross out the words “branch of-fice” and replace them with the words “circuit overseer.”
In chapter 3, paragraph 25, in the penultimate sentence of the first bullet point, cross out the words “branch office” and replace them with the words “circuit over-seer.”
In chapter 3, paragraph 25, second bullet point, at the end of the third sentence, cross out the words “branch office” and replace them with the words “circuit over-seer.” Cross out the sentence “If he disagrees, he may submit a letter along with the elders’ letter of explanation, stating why he does not accept the recommendation.” Write in the margin the following: “See letter dated July 13, 2014.”

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They are distancing themselves and using the CO as their puppet.

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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

notsurewheretogo

So the CO has to ask the brother being appointed "Have you ever been involved at any time in the past with child sexual molestation?”

Because asking that has stopped many a perverted elder from being appointed...

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Can God Really see the Future?

by Randomthoughts in

this is regarding the garden of eden/apple dispute.. if the all knowing, all powerful god sees/knows the future then surely the angels (that he created) should know the god knows the future.. now god knows that humans cannot rule themselves, hence the angels should also know this 'fact'.. why does he need to prove this point to the angels (as is taught by the wt)?.

do the angels doubt the almighty god or do they have a reason not to trust or believe him?.

notsurewheretogo

Now whilst I am out I'll put my dub-thinking cap on.

IF God gives creatures free-will to do whatever then He would still need to prove His rule is best to His creatures....Him knowing the future has nothing to do with it...

But IF He can know everything and He will sort things out on earth then no-one has free will...

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does anyone have the 7/15/2013 study wt?

by sowhatnow in

i watched this video this morning and in it, the person refered to the july 15 wt but does not say what lesson or page.

showing in the video where it says that 'jesus arrival to appoint the faithful slave over his belongings did not occour in 1919'.. on the jw.org website i downladed this issue and cant find where this is stated , i do not have that issue.. if someone can watch the video , its almost at the end, tell me id your issue says that.

if it is not at the jw.org website, and the statement is in the print issue then why would that be?

notsurewheretogo

They say there are two appointments in that parable sorry prophecy.

First appointment, over the dosmetics occurrs in 1919 and the FDS were chosen then to do this.

Second appointment will be the FDS but will be appointed over ALL belongings and is in the future...

Doesn't really matter though as Don Cameron points out in his book Captives to a Concept the WT fail to live up to their own qualifying criteria ergo they could not have been appointed in 1919...

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Brilliant! I want to be a Pastafarian

by notsurewheretogo in

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pastafarian-man-niko-alm-wins-right-to-wear-colander-on-his-head-in-driving-license-photo-9610859.html.

.. .. an austrian man has won the right to wear a plastic colander on his head in his driving license photo, by apparently insisting that the kitchenware was a part of his religion.. niko alm decided to wear a pasta strainer on the document after he read that headwear is only allowed on official documentation, such as driving licenses, on religious grounds.. he submitted his application to wear the pasta strainer three years ago, citing he was a pastafarian the name given to a member of the church of the flying spaghetti monster.. the us-based parody-religion made headlines last month, when guy albon, a member from adelaide, used a photo of him wearing a metal colander on his gun license photo.

officials feared the photo suggested he did not have the mental competency to hold the license.. on its website, the leaders of the religion claim to have existed in secrecy for hundreds of years and claim to have atheists, agnostics, christians, muslims and hindus among their members.. niko alm who won the right to wear a colander on his head in his driving licence niko alm who won the right to wear a colander on his head in his driving licence following the confirmation, mr alm wrote on his blog: my headwear has now been recognised by the republic of austria.. however, a police spokesperson in vienna said: the photo was not approved on religious grounds.

notsurewheretogo

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pastafarian-man-niko-alm-wins-right-to-wear-colander-on-his-head-in-driving-license-photo-9610859.html

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An Austrian man has won the right to wear a plastic colander on his head in his driving license photo, by apparently insisting that the kitchenware was a part of his religion.

Niko Alm decided to wear a pasta strainer on the document after he read that headwear is only allowed on official documentation, such as driving licenses, on religious grounds.

He submitted his application to wear the pasta strainer three years ago, citing he was a ‘Pastafarian’ – the name given to a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The US-based parody-religion made headlines last month, when Guy Albon, a member from Adelaide, used a photo of him wearing a metal colander on his gun license photo. Officials feared the photo suggested he did not have the “mental competency” to hold the license.

On its website, the leaders of the religion claim to have “existed in secrecy for hundreds of years” and claim to have Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Muslims and Hindus among their members.

Niko Alm who won the right to wear a colander on his head in his driving licence Niko Alm who won the right to wear a colander on his head in his driving licence Following the confirmation, Mr Alm wrote on his blog: “My headwear has now been recognised by the Republic of Austria.”

However, a police spokesperson in Vienna said: “The photo was not approved on religious grounds. The only criterion for photos in driving licence applications is that the whole face must be visible.”

Mr Alm told Austrian news agency APA that his next step will be applying for Pastafarianism to become an officially recognised religion in Austria.

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DF'd for Blood Transfusion

by lambsbottom in

so, what is the discipline, if any for a blood transfusion?.

notsurewheretogo

The committee of 3 elders that is appointed to help the DA one is a very different procedure to the committee that is involved in a JC.

In the case of the DA if the person writes a letter to DA himself then the the 3 elders chat to him to see why and if the elders cannot change his mind then an announcement is made to the congregation.

A JC involves investigation into an alleged wrongdoing and talking to the accused.

That being said, in the taking of blood, which according to the new Elders manual is likened to one DA himself it advises:

"Willingly and unrepentantly taking blood. If someone willingly takes blood, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, the committee should obtain the facts and determine the individual's attitude. If he is repentant the committee would provide spiritual assistance in the spirit of Galatians 6: 1 and Jude 22, 23.

Since he is spiritually weak, he would not qualify for special privileges for a period of time, and it may be necessary to remove certain basic privileges.

Depending on the circumstances, the committee also need to arrange for an announcement to the congregation: "'The elders have handled a matter having to do with [name of person]. You will be glad to know that spiritual shepherds are endeavoring to render assistance."

On the other hand, if the elders on the committee determine that he is unrepentant, they should announce his disassociation."