Posts by notsurewheretogo

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Does The Governing Body Have Enemies At Bethel?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i would think that a lot of resentment is building up for these for these guys at bethel even though it may not be discussed openly for fear of being abused by the gb in some way.. any way looking at their personality and the extreme phoniness of rubber mouth/face lett, and am#3, and the chicken shit coward leosch who won't even show up in court when subpoena'd to defend his faith or policies, and i'm sure they have many more undesirable traits that repel people instead of attract and that has to work its toll on relationships they have at bethel.. and this shunning thing i'm sure must really erk some at god's house and while they may not be free to voice their discontent i feel it must be building because these guys are complete nincompoops when it come to reality and the only way they know how to give direction is with fear and guilt which i'm sure is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.. and let not forget the issues that are raise when they stole all the congregations savings and the pledge drive for more cash, ban on higher education, lawsuit pay out and etc.... what is this doing to the relation ship they have with legal and accounting i see trouble brewing right thier in the spiritual pair of dice..

notsurewheretogo

I don't think they have "enemies" in Bethel, I just think some Bethelites spill info when they shouldn't so they receive credit like they are in the know...boosting their own egos.

If anyone in Bethel gets TTATT there is no way in hell they could live that fake life just to be a spy in the ranks, doing that can cause lots of mental issues.

The GB are full in on their beliefs and whilst not every Bethelite is uberzealous I don't believe there are many who are still there if any who are "mentally out".

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Reasons there is no God

by Lemonp in

ok, lets assume that god created everything as is, with no evolution involved.

this is what jw's teach based on a singular vague verse in genesis.

made according to their types.

notsurewheretogo

Just simplify it, Ochams Razor and all.

Is there a god? In human history there has been no contact and no evidence from any deity.

If there was a god he would have done something about our world or at least introduced himself and any plan he has.

The fact there has been no contact and the world is chaotic proves there is no god in simple terms.

Of course, I don't need to prove there is no god, the burden of proof lies with those who do believe.

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How the Watchtower organization does, in fact, claim to be an inspired prophet.

by Island Man in

draw any jw's attention to watchtower's history of false predictions and invariably, somewhere down the line of the conversation, the jw will tell you that watchtower never claimed to be an inspired prophet and therefore cannot be accused of being a false prophet.

but is it really true that watchtower has never claimed to be an inspired prophet?.

technically speaking, the answer is yes - i think (if i'm wrong i'd love to see the quote).

notsurewheretogo

Don Cameron's book Captives to a Concept expertly captures this notion...inspired, directed doesn't matter it is the same and the WT claims to be so...and fails.

I can't stress enough how good Don's book is...couple it with Ray's Crisis of Conscience and if you are "still in" after reading both those books there is something wrong with you.

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What are you gonna do when the existence of god is disproved?

by Doltologist in

in 1897, j.j. thomson discovered the electron.

this was the first constituent part of the atom which, for 2,000 years, was thought to be indivisible.

today, we know of 18 elemental particles following the recent discovery of the higgs boson, the so-called god particle.. back in 1897, most people believed in god because there weren't even any theories as to how the universe came into being.

notsurewheretogo

How do you disprove something via science and evidence that doesn't exist in the known physical universe but supposedly exists in another realm, a spirit one, one we cannot see or do any research on?

Disproving God is impossible...as is proving he exists also impossible. But as others say, the burden of proof does not lie with me since I don't believe in any god, it lies with those who claim he does exist.

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The "Final Push" before the GT!!! I think they REALLY believe it!

by DATA-DOG in

i don't know if i have shared this with everyone, but there seems to be a new theocratic term, at least in my circuit.. the term is "final push.

" wtf does it mean?

well, an eldub said that the gb are "all in" with warwick and they might spend all their money on the project.

notsurewheretogo

I'm hearing rumours about WT's in September this year that discuss how to prepare and survive the end...loads of dubs getting worked up over it...

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Are You "Technically" Still A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

jw
friends

even if you don't regard yourself as a practicing jw, some may view you simply as inactive, a lost sheep, etc.. if you were baptized but not disfellowshipped or disassociated, you may still be a jw---right?

your thoughts please..

notsurewheretogo

Inactive...near 3 years...told the elders I have doubts and want left alone...resigned as an elder myself and then 6 months later told the elders I need my space...

True to their word they haven't bothered me...even during wine and bread season...

My wife is still in though...

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'Anointeds' Do you know any and if so what are they like ?

by Introvert 2 in

would like to hear about any experiences anyone has had with the so called ' anointed ' .

notsurewheretogo

To quote the WT Brother Jeremy, if you know a barrel of water contains ONE drop of poison would you drink from it?

So why are you engaging in the preaching work and still an "active" WT if you know it's all wrong...you say you trust in Jehovah and Christ but if you have come to the conclusion that Jehovah/Christ do NOT trust the WT then what on earth are you doing?

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The 144,000 cause a SLIGHT problem!

by The Searcher in

the following five references succinctly explain that christ's sacrifice exactly matched what was lost by adam.

that's why christ is described as the "last adam.

" (1 corinthians 15:45) .

notsurewheretogo

Dubs will say that Paul was primarily addressing the 144,000...or ALL in the case of Paul's audience...

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

notsurewheretogo

But the organisation cannot be imperfect IF God or Holy Spirit is directing it.

Yes, individuals within the organisation are imperfect but when the GB comes together as that group of men and IF Holy Spirit is directing them then the GB, and in turn the Organisation, CAN NEVER EVER BE WRONG UNLESS God is wrong.

The Holy Spirit would overshadow and cover the imperfections much like it supposedly covered over the imperfections in Mary's egg for Jesus to be born perfect.

If the Organisation does get it wrong and a JW says that Jehoover adjusts at a later date then how could anyone put their full trust and be obedient to what they say? How could they ever trust with their lives ie the Blood doctrine IF the organisation is imperfect and Jehoover makes them see new light to adjust them at a later date?

I'm sorry but logic in this arguement always wins...it's just the JW never sees the logic.

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Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

by Driving Force in

i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

notsurewheretogo

Read Don Cameron's Captives to a Concept book...it brilliantly explains why the GB are "all in" and they firmly believe they are chosen...and no evidence to oppose that view matters.