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  JW teaching about the final war of “Gog and Magog” and identity of “North King” may be wrong. Here is an interesting development

  by venus in

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  a modern day jewish prophet who correctly predicted the six day war in 1967 and the yom kippur war in 1973 has also predicted north korea would bomb seoul which would culminate in the final war of gog and magog.. .

  for details.

  http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/mystic-rabbi-predicted-todays-top-threat-22-years-ago/.

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  notsurewheretogo

  https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/next-target-for-north-korea-sept-11th12th/

  Predicted by computer models.
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  Quotes where Watchtower claims inspiration

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.eaec.org/cults/jw/jw5.htm.

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  notsurewheretogo

  they claimed divine inspiration, but since then, just say they have Jehovah's holy spirit directing them.

  But there is no difference, inspiring them or directing them leads to the same place if true...the point is if they are wrong then there is no direction.
  
  
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  Question for SBF

  by Fisherman in

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  slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

  can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

  - this thread is your if you want it..

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  notsurewheretogo

  As I keep saying every publishing company is doing what the WT is doing...the cost of ink, paper, printing facilities now is far higher than it has ever been and therefore the WT are simply cutting costs.

  Warwick was to cost $200 million when it was being planned...they sell the NY property for $1 billion. They cut a lot of costs already and will continue to do so until they are the point they can live with what is coming in.

  I think SBF's opening post is very good but still can't see them demise because of money issues...they will address these at some point.

  But they are on a gradual decline and in 20 years+ will have major issues...not money perse but doctrines...but again I expect them to change that too.

  Religion is a lot like a sports team...no matter how poor your sports team is you stick with them...ditto for a religion.

  Slow long decline yes...but they won't go bust because of a lack of money...they will evolve and adapt to survive that IMO.

  1914 and the anointed/overlapping generation will be huge hurdles to overcome.
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  The Key Text on JW.Org Leaves Out The Most Important Part!

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  perhaps the one scripture most often quoted by jws is matthew 24:14: "this good news of the kingdomwill be preached in all the inhabited earth and then the end will come.

  " even after decades away from the kingdom hall, i can still rattle off that verse.

  i daresay all 8-plus million "active" jws can also recite it, plus the untold millions who have left or become inactive across the decades.. it is among the top cornerstone texts used in jw communications.. but now there's a significant shift in the use of that text: jws often focused heavily on the part of the scripture about the end coming.

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  Hmmm.... could the next New Shite Light be that the big A probably isnt gonna be within our lifetime?

  That was pretty obvious to most dubs when they changed the generation from being literal!
  
  
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  Be loyal when a relative is disfellowshipped

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  2. beliefs

  well.....they showed that shunning video again.

  you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.

  everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.

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  I mentioned this the other day...

  The Prodigal Son parable...the bad wicked son comes home...not because he is repentant or ashamed and wants to mend his ways...no...he is hungry...he comes home NOT to go back to pure worship or anything but rather he is sick of eating scraps.

  His father welcomes him home and throws a party...a lesson that is clear is that blood is thicker than water...blood ties are more important than religious ties...family is more important than religious beliefs.

  If the father in the Prodigal Son parable was to apply "WT Laws" he would have sent the son packing and not spoke to him when he come home hungry.

  Blood ties, family is more important than anything else...Jesus demonstrated that life is more precious that commandments (saving sheep on the sabbath).

  The shunning policy indirectly was a main factor in Russia banning them because it is extreme...if they want to take Russia to some Supreme Court to fight for freedom of worship then they the JW's need to change their policy and allow freedom OF religion by allowing those who want to leave not to get shunned by family members....can't have it both ways WT...karma...what goes around comes around...
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  Thinking about the end of the Watchtower

  by JeffT in

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  2. friends

  first, a word about the watchtower’s financial position: nobody (outside the watchtower organization) knows.

  the wtbs is not required to disclose its finances, and doesn’t.

  we can speculate, but that is all we are doing.

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  Pointless speculation? The WT will not collapse and disappear in any of our lifetime's...
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  Will Watchtower target the inactive?

  by ToesUp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if watchtower has no reason to df ones.

  they have just become inactive.

  do you all think wt will begin a witch hunt (df'ing) for these inactive ones?

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  notsurewheretogo

  Elders are too busy to go after inactive ones, you would need a dedicated team to do it!

  Most elders cannot even do shepherding calls regularly...
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  How Many Here EVER Considered Going Back To Meetings?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  once i left ,i was done.

  in over 10 years i didn't return except for my mother's funeral.

  did you ever re enter the kh after you left?.

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  notsurewheretogo

  You can't...once you KNOW the TTATT how can you go back in terms of any form of worship?

  Family/friends would be the only reason...and the fasad that you are still one for that reasons but nothing else.
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  Breaking News - NK Missile Overflies Japan

  by cofty in

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  2. current

  story breaking on reuters here.... kim jong-un seems determined to start a war.

  nk is a national cult of personality.

  hating the rest of the world is the first tenet of faith..

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  notsurewheretogo

  The events of the last two days indicate to me no sanctions or diplomacy will work, or is even wanted.

  Military action, in whatever form is inevitable...be it strikes against the nuclear capabilities of NK or even an assassination attempt on Kim military action is where it is heading.

  Some are saying Kim is simply flexing his muscles so as to be taken more seriously around the diplomacy table...I'm not buying that.
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  "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction." -- Feb 2017 Watchtower

  by cognisonance in

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  2. beliefs

  full stop.

  (paragraph 12 -- feburary 2017 watchtower -- who is leading god's people today?

  )so why then would any jw abide by harmful doctrines setup by the governing body (blood, shunning, the two-witness rule, etc)?

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  How do you reconcile these two statements:

  "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction."

  "At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."